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Re: Social drinking?
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John 19;28After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, "I am thirsty." 29A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth. 30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
This passage calls it wine. It is a debate that many believe is wine he was given.
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I'm not interested in debating that point. If it contained wine instead of vinegar (the plain vinegar that I always assumed), then that's news to me, but I don't have an issue with it.
You didn't answer my earlier question, though...
Where in scripture does it ever say that Jesus took the Nazarite vow, (which required a public, verbal declaration) and why was He referred to as a winebibber if He didn't drink any sort of wine/grape juice/strong drink with His meals?
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08-27-2014, 05:11 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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No , the Nazarite vow was even for Sampson, they were not to taste wine or strong drink...John had the vow...Jesus must have had it also, by his refusal to drink vinegar(wine) at the cross.
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He tasted it
If true then Your argument is Jesus refused wine NOT because its a sin but because of a vow which not everyone takes...
So everyone NOT a Nazarite could consume wine..
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08-27-2014, 05:11 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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I'm not interested in debating that point. If it contained wine instead of vinegar (the plain vinegar that I always assumed), then that's news to me, but I don't have an issue with it.
You didn't answer my earlier question, though...
Where in scripture does it ever say that Jesus took the Nazarite vow, (which required a public, verbal declaration) and why was He referred to as a winebibber if He didn't drink any sort of wine/grape juice/strong drink with His meals?
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I only "inferred" that because of the refusal to drink wine(no proof as you say)...sorry, I wasnt clear.
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08-27-2014, 05:12 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Brother, HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING TODAY! Cmon, fess up.
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I don't drink. Your inability to counter my points is noted.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-27-2014, 05:13 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Brother, HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING TODAY! Cmon, fess up.
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BTW I resent the implication that I am drunk.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-27-2014, 05:14 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
He tasted it
If true then Your argument is Jesus refused wine NOT because its a sin but because of a vow which not everyone takes...
So everyone NOT a Nazarite could consume wine..
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My point exactly...we are the "high calling" of God to do EXPLOITS...That is why we must .... Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
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08-27-2014, 05:15 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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BTW I resent the implication that I am drunk.
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Just funnin bro! We could use a good laugh from time to time...
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08-27-2014, 05:17 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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My point exactly...we are the "high calling" of God to do EXPLOITS...That is why we must .... Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
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Once again you equivocate the topic. Its NOT getting drunk. Its whether drinking wine is wrong or not
And YOU have done that several times now and its getting time to call a spade a spade.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-27-2014, 05:27 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Once again you equivocate the topic. Its NOT getting drunk. Its whether drinking wine is wrong or not
And YOU have done that several times now and its getting time to call a spade a spade.
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Bro. a spade is a BUZZ from alcohol, it just takes one or two glasses for a light drinker to get "tipsy". You guys are insisting on our savior being "tipsy" from time to time. If drunkenness is a sin, the drinks leading up to it are "creating" the sin. So you guys are saying in essence, Jesus was a sinner...
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08-27-2014, 05:33 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
I can just see Jesus now guys...saying..."hey, I better lay off this wine before it becomes a sin, my divine blood alcohol level is getting close to the legal limit"
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