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Re: You Can Fake It All
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So, who are you separating yourself from? If you have an unsaved relative, can you have him in your house?
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Good question. What does the scripture say?
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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I will confess that it has been 7 years since I have. (I just started again this week). But I am amazed at how much is still rattling around in my brain!
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Yes, I understand!
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05-01-2014, 03:24 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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I agree, yet I'm not sure it didn't include such things as dress under the broad brush umbrella of "associating with them". They were worshiping with unbelievers. What were the practices of those unbelievers in their worship?
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How do you determine what is under that umbrella?
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05-01-2014, 03:25 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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Good question. What does the scripture say?
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I asked you what your interpretation is, especially since you said it was a matter of interpretation.
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05-01-2014, 03:25 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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So, is it right, for example, for people in the Westboro Baptist church to be able to tell the people who leave their church that they are going to hell and cannot see their families because they refuse to hold up "God hates fags" signs?
How about the women who belong to no birth control movements who choose to use birth control because the doctor tells them they cannot have more children and these women are cut off from their loved ones and shunned because they aren't "trusting God"? Is it okay just because they have chosen to interpret the Bible as such?
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As I said, "if you choose to interpret scripture a certain way then you will be held by those standards" . The examples you give show that these people changed their interpretation, by leaving the doctrine. Is it right for the former doctrine to tell them they are going to hell? I don't think so, but there is freedom of speech. Personally if the person has left the doctrine then it is irrelevant what they say just as it is irrelevant to me that Catholics, Islam, and many others believe I am lost.
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05-01-2014, 03:27 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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As I said, "if you choose to interpret scripture a certain way then you will be held by those standards" . The examples you give show that these people changed their interpretation, by leaving the doctrine. Is it right for the former doctrine to tell them they are going to hell? I don't think so, but there is freedom of speech. Personally if the person has left the doctrine then it is irrelevant what they say just as it is irrelevant to me that Catholics, Islam, and many others believe I am lost.
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When do you think that telling them they are going to hell may cross the line from free speech into verbal and/or emotional abuse?
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05-01-2014, 03:28 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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The verse was mentioned. I said that God was speaking to the Israelites, ILG and Fionn agreed.
You countered that it was NT ( 2 Cor 6) and for us, and that we (or possibly just ILG?) were faking knowledge of the scriptures.
I think countered that it IS found in the NT, but that Paul was simply quoting the OT to them. (i.e defending my knowledge of the scriptures, and that I'm not a faker).
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Wasn't my point. My point was that because Paul quoted it from the OT doesn't make it irrelevant to the church today. Does it?
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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05-01-2014, 03:32 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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How do you determine what is under that umbrella?
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I would say you would have to study the idolatry of the time and see what was involved.
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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05-01-2014, 03:37 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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I would say you would have to study the idolatry of the time and see what was involved.
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But I am asking you what you think. What do you think it means for you as a Christian today?
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05-01-2014, 03:39 PM
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Re: You Can Fake It All
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I asked you what your interpretation is, especially since you said it was a matter of interpretation.
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Not sure there is a lot of interpretation to be had here. The scripture plainly states:
'Lo those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ, he is guilty of sin: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. fie that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" ( 2 Jn. 9-11)
The part that is interpretative is "and bring not this doctrine". We can say that if someone or family member comes over for fellowship that would be ok, but if they "bring" their religion or doctrine with them (in an attempt to undermine yours) then they should leave your home.
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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