I will say it again as I have so many times before, to say that God will condemn ALL to hell who have not been baptized in Jesus' name and spoken in tongues, regardless of their surrender to the Lord is to say that God will mete out the exact same judgment for the righteous that He will for the wicked. You can "proof text" all you want, but God does NOT treat the righteous the same way He treats the wicked.
OK, but who's righteous, and who's wicked?
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There is only one way to be righteous and that is through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Abraham believed (proven by his actions) and it was counted to him for righteousness. Only those who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and sincerely trust in what He did for them, can be righteous.
Righteousness does NOT come by saying the "sinners" prayer. Neither does it come from following a set of "steps."
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There is only one way to be righteous and that is through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Abraham believed (proven by his actions) and it was counted to him for righteousness. Only those who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and sincerely trust in what He did for them, can be righteous.
Righteousness does NOT come by saying the "sinners" prayer. Neither does it come from following a set of "steps."
Righteousness in a nutshell is doing what is right.
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Righteousness in a nutshell is doing what is right.
Well said!
Doing? I thought it was...., well, what you said here:
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
There is only one way to be righteous and that is through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Abraham believed (proven by his actions) and it was counted to him for righteousness. Only those who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and sincerely trust in what He did for them, can be righteous.
Righteousness does NOT come by saying the "sinners" prayer. Neither does it come from following a set of "steps."
So, is it righteous to help a stranger change a flat tire, or visit a sick friend in the hospital, or give money to cancer research, etc. etc.? Or is that just filthy rags?
Now, about that point you keep making:
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to say that God will condemn ALL to hell who have not been baptized in Jesus' name and spoken in tongues, regardless of their surrender to the Lord is to say that God will mete out the exact same judgment for the righteous that He will for the wicked.
I take it that "the righteous" are those who have "surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and sincerely trust in what He did for them". They are righteous from that moment on, and this imputed righteousness doesn't wait until baptism and tongues to happen. Right?
And the wicked are those who have not yet surrendered. Right?
Which is why I'm confused by your agreement with Esther's definition. Lots zero-steppers "do what is right", in normal day-to-day life. Things I listed above. Filthy rags, like giving your life for your country (how many of our soldiers that have died in war have gone on to a reward of torment in the lake of fire?). But, I suppose there is only one "right" thing that really counts with God, and that is taking that one step. Fruit of the Spirit doesn't count unless it's a Christian showing it.
Am I getting it now?
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John 8:24 except ye believe I am he ye shall die in your sins. He is NOT the second person of the Trinity thus they do not believe in the Jesus of the Apostles. EVERY Trinitarian is lost.
Sounds as if you're saying they believe in "a different Jesus" than we do.
If that is the case, why does God fill Trinitarian Pentecostals with the Holy Ghost?
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I have noticed quite a bit of folks comfortable sending folks to hell with THEIR personal interpretation of the scriptures.
Some say one steppers are hell bound.
Some say three steppers are just as wrong.
Some say wearing red is the devils color...hell bound.
Just some examples of the years I see quite often.
My question is where does anyone feel they have the right to say anyone is going to hell? Has God told them someone was going to hell based on THEIR interpretations?
You may BELIEVE with all your heart you have the right interpretation AND according to YOUR interpretation that would send anyone to hell, for whatever reason you may have come up with.
But I would strongly urge you to leave hell bound to scriptures that are very clear in that regards.
Such as all liars will have their place in hell. That is Bible. Not someone's personal opinion of the matter.
It makes me very uncomfortable to see "Christians" sending other "Christians" to hell based on THEIR personal interpretations.
No Bro. Hall I do not know all truth but I do know how to be saved. Acts 2:38
is the death-burial-resurrection see Romans 6:2-5.
Bro. Hall the historical fact of the death-burial-resurrection is just a history lesson if it is not applied to our life.
Bro. Eply,
You and I both believe that the Apostles taught that a believer must repent of sin, be baptized in Jesus name, and filled with the Holy Ghost. Any other teaching isn't entirely Apostolic and therefore doesn't fall within the scope of God's perfect plan. However, judgment of the SOUL should ultimately be left in the hands of God.
If I believed that all who were not Apostolic were indeed going to Hell I wouldn't be able to sing Amazing Grace, How Great Thou Art, read the King James translation of the Bible, attend a church with a steeple, or serve under a pastor who conducted altar calls. ALL are Trinitarian in origin.
It's clear that the Church fell into Apostasy during Catholic dominance. You claim that the church never fell into Apostasy....if she didn't...where is the true Church down through history? Can you present to me one body who solidly believed in Acts 2:38 and Christian living as we do who's existance spanded two 2,000 years or at least a generation? I've done some pretty solid research on this and I haven't been able to find a single body after the third century that even appears to be "of us".
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
I will say it again as I have so many times before, to say that God will condemn ALL to hell who have not been baptized in Jesus' name and spoken in tongues, regardless of their surrender to the Lord is to say that God will mete out the exact same judgment for the righteous that He will for the wicked. You can "proof text" all you want, but God does NOT treat the righteous the same way He treats the wicked.
Do you read an "Apostolic Translation" of the Bible?
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
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