A Word About Drinking, Drunks, and Those Who Rejoice in Their Sin

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Dude, you're shameless.

Anyone with half of a brain could see you were actively promoting drinking in the other thread. I think that is totally inappropriate here. I really don't care if you think I am weak.

The statements made by you, Daniel, Amazing Grace, and Sister Truth Seeker were horrible.

I just know that if you ever run into me or my kids after drinking in one of those "fine eating establishments" I would prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law.

Well MR.PP...I never drive when I have had a glass of wine or a Margarita....we are mature, responsible adults, I pray you and your family is never run into by anyone drinking or not....I pray you and your family have a long and blessed life...full of joy and love....I think you have lost control of your emotions and that is sad...I pray the rest of your day goes better....I know mine will....

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Yes Randy, Jesus created wine, but was it w/alcohol? I really wish people would convince me that it was. Would it be just as extra biblical to say that the wine Jesus made was w/alcohol as it would be to say that just a small cup of alcohol to drink was going to send one to hell?

A literal reading of the Word says he did. I will leave it to the "you must first covert to Roman, then Greek, then English, then back to Hebrew, then Klingon, then back to English, to get the correct meaning" crowd to hash it out.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I'm still waiting to see the post where someone was laughing about the good old days and celebrating being drunk.......
I fully understand how people can be sensitive about this (considering something like 1/3 to 1/2 of all kids grew up with a jerk of an alcoholic father or mother) and for that reason I specifically DON'T "celebrate" it -and don't understand myself how some college kids ENJOY it (something I alluded to in another post which has been conveniently ignored).

BUT..... when Jesus HIMSELF actually CREATED wine, to put ANY post mearly talking about it into the same arena as "celebrating sin", I have a problem with that.

1. I did not read the other thread. The posts I find offensive are contained in this one.

2. Jesus created wine. Yet God's Word condemns drunkenness, and according to what I read in scripture, those at that particular wedding were drunk. So why was He there? Why did He give them more to drink? Can you explain that apparent contradiction?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I suppose it has to be determined what it means to be "intoxicated." Scripture says to "be not drunk with wine", and drunk means "intoxicated", so...does intoxicated mean tipsy? Or does it mean "I can't stand up?"

According to Strong's, the word "drunk" in Eph. 5:18 is the transitive form of the word "drunkard", the latter meaning "tipsy." (Or intoxicated)

When is one tipsy? When is one intoxicated? What qualifies as "drunk?"

I got an answer, The best way to avoid any questionable drunkeness is to not drink anything w/alcohol in it. LOL!

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Yes Randy, Jesus created wine, but was it w/alcohol? I really wish people would convince me that it was. Would it be just as extra biblical to say that the wine Jesus made was w/alcohol as it would be to say that just a small cup of alcohol to drink was going to send one to hell?

Even PP agrees it was wine with alcohol

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

1. I did not read the other thread. The posts I find offensive are contained in this one.

2. Jesus created wine. Yet God's Word condemns drunkenness, and according to what I read in scripture, those at that particular wedding were drunk. So why was He there? Why did He give them more to drink? Can you explain that apparent contradiction?

BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

1. I did not read the other thread. The posts I find offensive are contained in this one.

2. Jesus created wine. Yet God's Word condemns drunkenness, and according to what I read in scripture, those at that particular wedding were drunk. So why was He there? Why did He give them more to drink? Can you explain that apparent contradiction?

Good wine and good times when Jesus shows up!

If they were drunken I think the story would have gone different.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Even PP agrees it was wine with alcohol

But I disagree that it was. Is that okay?

[MissBrattified]

From Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

[Ephesians] 5:15-21

"Another remedy against sin, is care, or caution, it being impossible else to maintain purity of heart and life. Time is a talent given us by God, and it is misspent and lost when not employed according to his design. If we have lost our time heretofore, we must double our diligence for the future. Of that time which thousands on a dying bed would gladly redeem at the price of the whole world, how little do men think, and to what trifles they daily sacrifice it! People are very apt to complain of bad times; it were well if that stirred them more to redeem time.

Be not unwise. Ignorance of our duty, and neglect of our souls, show the greatest folly. Drunkenness is a sin that never goes alone, but carries men into other evils; it is a sin very provoking to God. The drunkard holds out to his family and to the world the sad spectacle of a sinner hardened beyond what is common, and hastening to perdition. When afflicted or weary, let us not seek to raise our spirits by strong drink, which is hateful and hurtful, and only ends in making sorrows more felt. But by fervent prayer let us seek to be filled with the Spirit, and to avoid whatever may grieve our gracious Comforter."

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

The part that says it was converted into wine w/alcohol in it.

The scripture didn't say he turned the water to juice. I think Miss Bratt has made it pretty clear what the scripture means - - it was WINE....with alcohol!