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[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

When I was a kid my dad was building a house and my mom told some of her coworkers to go on out and take a look at it. "Just introduce yourselves (to my dad). When my mom saw the ladies the next day she asked if they had met my dad. "No, we didn't see him... there was just some Mexican guy working on the house." That "Mexican guy" was my Scot-Irish father.

Just goes to show... and all of that.

Too many times new employees will say something to the effect of "that old man sure does gripe alot or he is a mean guy or somethingto that effect not knowing he was my dad. We live in a largely african american community. Generaly all of our employees are black with the exception of my dad and me. Eventually they will hear me say "dad" and then they freak out.

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Back on point. This thread got jacked by comic books and tanning solutions.....What is interesting is the Elder Bishop of the local assembly frequently visits a church in Denver which is not UPC. I think, not positive of this, he was warned about preaching at that church. It is the Elder Bishops son-in-law's church but isn't the organization bigger than family. Think about this for a moment. Elder Bishop has strong, long standing ties to the UPC yet frequents idependent church against the wishes of the organization. No action is taken against him.

speaking of visiting non upc churchs. Will your org. publish a list so that people can know who they should or should not visit. Will "minister of questionable churchs" be a new department. I mean how does one keep up with it all. I mean a list like that could be a best seller for Pentecostal Publishing House. If it is printed I wonder if they will be at ALJC gen. conference promoting it so we can all see which of us made the top ten list

Originally Posted by foodieworks

speaking of visiting non upc churchs. Will your org. publish a list so that people can know who they should or should not visit. Will "minister of questionable churchs" be a new department. I mean how does one keep up with it all. I mean a list like that could be a best seller for Pentecostal Publishing House. If it is printed I wonder if they will be at ALJC gen. conference promoting it so we can all see which of us made the top ten list

oops, my bad not so much your org. any more now is it? Please refer the question to another member of the aformentioned org. thanks.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Too many times new employees will say something to the effect of "that old man sure does gripe alot or he is a mean guy or somethingto that effect not knowing he was my dad. We live in a largely african american community. Generaly all of our employees are black with the exception of my dad and me. Eventually they will hear me say "dad" and then they freak out.

Not to pry too much... but what's the story with you leaving the "mothership?" Leave out whatever details. I walked away 10 years ago myself. Or is there a thread that I missed?

[JaneEyre]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Let me paint a little picture for you. A month before the local assembly was split the current interim pastor was a senior pastor/bishop of a church. He comes down by the request of the sitting pastor at the time. He would later send an email to one of the members basically telling the members that the pastor has to go or all that the MANUAL stands for will be lost. Keep in mind this man is in his late sixties early seventies. He makes a statement during one of the services to this effect "the pages of the AOF may be yellowed from age but they still havent changed over all these years" he would later make the statement the "the AOF can be added to but it can't be taken away from". Think he got that one confused with the Bible. Anyway, the sitting Pastor eventually resigns and 70% of the people leave with him. Fast forward two months and who is the interim pastor, you guessed it the man who wrote the letter claiming the pastor needed to go. Imagine that. He is also the one who had the visiting evengelist canned. Seems to me like the interim pastor is the one with the "in question" status to me.

Sounds like church politics to me. They are uglier than national politics, state politics, or local politics. Church politics affect the soul more than anything else, not just the pocketbook or the economy. Sad story but not as rare as some might think.

[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Not to pry too much... but what's the story with you leaving the "mothership?" Leave out whatever details. I walked away 10 years ago myself. Or is there a thread that I missed?

Check out my post on this thread http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...0157#post90157
The primary player in splitting our church is mentioned in this post along with the follow up to this post further along in the thread. Have fun.

[delta soundman]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Let me paint a little picture for you. A month before the local assembly was split the current interim pastor was a senior pastor/bishop of a church. He comes down by the request of the sitting pastor at the time. He would later send an email to one of the members basically telling the members that the pastor has to go or all that the MANUAL stands for will be lost. Keep in mind this man is in his late sixties early seventies. He makes a statement during one of the services to this effect "the pages of the AOF may be yellowed from age but they still havent changed over all these years" he would later make the statement the "the AOF can be added to but it can't be taken away from". Think he got that one confused with the Bible. Anyway, the sitting Pastor eventually resigns and 70% of the people leave with him. Fast forward two months and who is the interim pastor, you guessed it the man who wrote the letter claiming the pastor needed to go. Imagine that. He is also the one who had the visiting evengelist canned. Seems to me like the interim pastor is the one with the "in question" status to me.

Bump for the Sunday crowd

[Sam]

Originally Posted by foodieworks

speaking of visiting non upc churchs. Will your org. publish a list so that people can know who they should or should not visit. Will "minister of questionable churchs" be a new department. I mean how does one keep up with it all. I mean a list like that could be a best seller for Pentecostal Publishing House. If it is printed I wonder if they will be at ALJC gen. conference promoting it so we can all see which of us made the top ten list

I would think that type of blacklist would have to be maintained online for quick reference. Anything printed and distributed could be out of date a few days afterward. Perhaps the list could be available only for UPC ministers to view and not for the viewing of the general public.

[anapko]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I made this point earlier ... no one regulates the speaking engagements of the big wigs ....

Yes, your point is that it has become the big wigs and the big wigs not! For some odd reason unbeknownst to the laity of lesser ministers, the big wigs are given their own AOF. It's a blank composition book where they're allowed to write in their own rules!!!

[JaneEyre]

Originally Posted by Sam

I would think that type of blacklist would have to be maintained online for quick reference. Anything printed and distributed could be out of date a few days afterward. Perhaps the list could be available only for UPC ministers to view and not for the viewing of the general public.

I am glad that "THE LIST" that counts is the one written in the Lamb's Book of Life - not some list that UPC officials put together.