There Has Been A Change - Page 21

stmatthew · #**201** 07-05-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

It seems many have jumped on the bandwagon before time has told...that's sad. Bro Strange might be right too, but all we have is his saying he felt it...that could be "in the Spirit" or it could be in the flesh. Maybe it was Bro Strange that is biased or maybe it was the friend of that person who is. I don't see any facts though. I see felt. I see words that are similiar off of ONE, not several instances but ONE instance. I see someone else saying they felt God. I see someone else saying that prophecy to that person infact was true...It's all just he said she said stuff and not hard facts.

If you all want to do that fine, but someone tell me why this is better than Thad mentioning some preacher ordering a 400 dollar lobster!

Again, you are reading "Feelings" into what I just quoted Bro Strange as saying. He never said feelings in the quote. He said he recognized the spirit. He did not say he felt the spirit. He did not say he felt that there was a spirit. He said plainly that he recognized the spirit. Not that any of this matters, but you are continuing to attribute what Bro Strange said to his feelings, and he did not say that or imply that.

I have no problem that Thad mentioned a preacher ordering a $400 lobster. This is a discussion board, so this is the place to discuss things.

Bro Strange voiced an opinion, which is pretty much what most do here. Even when someone backs up their thoughts with scripture, it is their opinion of what the scripture is saying.

mizpeh · #**202** 07-05-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Does anyone here believe that if you give financially by faith God will bless you for it?

Yes, but whether he blesses me or not, I will serve him. I've been in want and I've been full. It seems to run in cycles but I give regardless.

Pro 3:9-10 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

tv1a · #**203** 07-05-2007, 09:59 PM

God blesses all giving, even financial giving.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

But I was listening to Suber and the Issachar Institute and I got the same sort of "prosperity teaching" feeling from them. I don't really know, without watching more if that was their game...to teach that if you sow a seed of money God will prosper you.

Does anyone here believe that if you give financially by faith God will bless you for it?

Brother Price · #**204** 07-05-2007, 10:22 PM

I thought we give because we love Him, not expect a return.

Sherri · #**205** 07-05-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Yes, but whether he blesses me or not, I will serve him. I've been in want and I've been full. It seems to run in cycles but I give regardless.

Pro 3:9-10 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Amen! God does bless those who give; it's scriptural - the law of sowing and reaping. I don't believe that He blesses us to make us just rich and full of good things; I believe He blesses His people to further the Kingdom. The only way the gospel will be preached to the whole world is through money.

When I give faithfully and sacrificially, I have confidence that God will bless me and provide for all my needs, and oftentimes my wants too.

rgcraig · #**206** 07-05-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again, you are reading "Feelings" into what I just quoted Bro Strange as saying. He never said feelings in the quote. He said he recognized the spirit. He did not say he felt the spirit. He did not say he felt that there was a spirit. He said plainly that he recognized the spirit. Not that any of this matters, but you are continuing to attribute what Bro Strange said to his feelings, and he did not say that or imply that.

I have no problem that Thad mentioned a preacher ordering a $400 lobster. This is a discussion board, so this is the place to discuss things.

Bro Strange voiced an opinion, which is pretty much what most do here. Even when someone backs up their thoughts with scripture, it is their opinion of what the scripture is saying.

Thanks for posting that - I thought we'd lost our ability to post opinions here.

tv1a · #**207** 07-05-2007, 10:36 PM

There is a small book in the Old Testament, which suggests God wants people to test him on giving. Micah says to test God to see if he wouldn't open up the windows of heaven. Jesus said give, and it shall be given back to you.

Scritpure clearly establishes protocol that one can expect a blessing much bigger than the initial giving.

The Bible says our hearts are where our treasures are. Our pocketbook will follow what we hold dear. If the work of God is what we hold precious, there are returns that God has promised not only in the afterlife, but in this life as well.

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

I thought we give because we love Him, not expect a return.

chaotic_resolve · #**208** 07-05-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

He is an old, ancient spirit...been around a long, long time. Old Baalam had some of it. The Cathedral of Wisdom and Mike Murdock is a great proponent of this old spirit. Our "Apostolic Prophet" has been listening to too many of his tapes...even using some of his exact verbage used by him.

But, it is not just that alone...only a small portion of the whole feeling of dispair that I have this morning. I don't even know if I will make it to the campgrounds this morning at all. I am still in my motel room.

If what I have seen and felt here is an indication...the whole Apostolic movement as we know it, has made a sharp turn toward error and is becoming embued with a strange spirit that I would have never thought to be possible.

The music is strange, the spirit is strange, the words from the pulpit are becoming strange. There is still the FORM, but....????

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Maybe a little dramatic, but I just bought a black shirt. I will be dressed in all black tonight. I'm in mourning. I didn't need to do it, but sometimes I get a little melodramatic. Anyway, it expresses the way that I truly feel in my spirit.

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again, you are reading "Feelings" into what I just quoted Bro Strange as saying. He never said feelings in the quote. He said he recognized the spirit. He did not say he felt the spirit. He did not say he felt that there was a spirit. He said plainly that he recognized the spirit. Not that any of this matters, but you are continuing to attribute what Bro Strange said to his feelings, and he did not say that or imply that.

Actually, he DID say he felt or had feelings . . .

Also, if you take time to read through the posts of Bro. Strange, how else, if not through feeling, would he recognize a spirit? It's not as though he physically saw an old nemesis and said, "Aha! YOU again!?!"

I'm pretty sure he "felt" something in his spirit that he didn't agree with.

I don't fault him for feeling something he may not agree with . . . what I'm interested in knowing is this: will he step up and speak to MB personally about this and charge him with the same fervor he's done online here.

It's doubtful . . . but I could be wrong.

tv1a · #**209** 07-05-2007, 10:38 PM

I have the faith God will use my finances to serve the Kingdom.

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Amen! God does bless those who give; it's scriptural - the law of sowing and reaping. I don't believe that He blesses us to make us just rich and full of good things; I believe He blesses His people to further the Kingdom. The only way the gospel will be preached to the whole world is through money.

When I give faithfully and sacrificially, I have confidence that God will bless me and provide for all my needs, and oftentimes my wants too.

COOPER · #**210** 07-05-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

You are right brother...a shift is definitely taking place.....a shift to following the lead of the Holy Ghost and not the rules....a shift from yolking folks down with a bunch of rules and regs....a shift from man made "stuff".
A shift from this dogmatic "bless God" Holiness or hell mentality.
You are right Bro. there is a shift.........THANK GOD!

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

great...the UPC takes it from both sides....You got the liberal types that hate the UPC over standards and the others that think UPC ministers are preaching prosperity doctrines and by a demonic spirit....wow.

i love you guys