End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

If churches took the Corinthian passage literally then all of our churches would be filled with women who sit in silence not commenting on a message or sermon with anyone until they get home. Is that not the instruction Paul is clearly giving? But does this seem like something that God would want for one half of the human race?

Joel 2.28 "After this, I will pour my Spirit on everyone. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions. 2.29 In those days I will pour my Spirit on servants, on both men and women. 2.30 I will work miracles in the sky and on the earth: blood, fire, and clouds of smoke. [cf. Acts 2:17 ff.]
I shall pour out my spirit on a woman and she shall prophesy but be silent?

Matthew 28:5 But the angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid; I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 28:6 He is not here; for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he lay. 28:7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, 'He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.' This is my message for you." 28:8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples.
I shall tell women to proclaim the message of my resurrection but be silent?

Acts 18:24 Now there came to Ephesus a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria. He was an eloquent man, well-versed in the scriptures. 18:25 He had been instructed in the Way of the Lord; and he spoke with burning enthusiasm and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. 18:26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately.
I shall tell Priscilla who instructed my servant Apollos to be silent?

Acts 21:8 The next day we left and came to Caesarea; and we went into the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the seven, and stayed with him. 21:9 He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.
I shall tell Philip's daughters to prophesy but be silent?



I believe that the greater weight of Scripture gives voice to women. Combine this with the fruits of the ministry of women down through the centuries and I am compelled to accept that God calls and equips women for ministry. Paul himself pointed to the fruit of his labour as an evidence for his apostleship (Rom 1:1-6, 1 Cor 9:2). Are women not to be given that same privilege?

I believe that the WHOLE of Scripture endorses a voice for women. So I am content to act on the calling that God has placed on my life and rejoice when I see individuals (male or female) respond to the Gospel through the words I speak and the life I live.


No where in the Bible does it say for a woman not to preach....

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by RJR

Powerful, you may be seated.

hey, i'd rather be dismissed than invalidated have a nice day

[Sister Alvear]

“The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silence (and listen)’… and be in submission to God’s teaching.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by RJR

Your unctions do not make sense either. Attendance is good, Ty, even though that doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. You can take your posts and direct them to somewhere since they do not make any sense, neither has any bearing on the discussion. I think I will take your advice and ignore, thx.

ok, well, i'm certainly not interested in a whizzing match on what 'enlarging your borders' means; and yes, it has everything to do with the discussion--it's just surely a touchy subject for you, and so of course you will do your best to invalidate it. I do not seek to make sense to you, i hope you understand, but merely to provide a possibly more spiritual balance to your extreme legalism. peace to you.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Don't worry about it Sis. Alvear. Keep doing the work and will of God. There are many ignorant members of the he man women haters club. Some of them are card carrying. So glad to be UPCI where women are welcome in the pulpits. There are churches pastored now within our group that have men and women pastoring together. Now the wife isn't sitting on the pew and her husband only in the ministry with all the weird connotations that go with that sort of mindset.

Why don't you discuss your scriptures with Trouvere or her husband they are both Hebrew and Greek teachers....

[Sister Alvear]

A man said this NOT ME>>>>>>

the grandmothers in the Moscow Baptist Church, who had stopped Stalin from closing the church by standing in the door and not letting his troops enter and close it down. Thank God for strong, gifted women in the church. No, the problem in the church is not strong women, but rather weak men who feel threatened by strong women, and have tried various means, even by dubious exegesis to prohibit them from exercising their gifts and graces in the church.

Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...#ixzz2v0MqgIlE
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...kqZOTKRlmEO.99

[Sister Alvear]

God gives a voice. "Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished." (Luke 1:45).
And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.


Many years ago 56 to be exact the Lord Jesus walked into my bedroom and woke me up and told me I would be a missionary to Brazil....and like my sister from long ago I have lived long enough to see the fruits of what obeying God did...thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ...

[shazeep]

a big amen for that--i don't know about women pastors; but i do highly suspect that we have a corrupted def of 'pastor' anyway, and regardless, i can read what fruit is a sign of.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If churches took the Corinthian passage literally then all of our churches would be filled with women who sit in silence not commenting on a message or sermon with anyone until they get home. Is that not the instruction Paul is clearly giving? But does this seem like something that God would want for one half of the human race?

Silence is used in 1 Cor 14 more than once. Notice in verse 28 it did not prohibit speaking, just a certain kind of speaking. Of course, this has been pointed out you just obstinately ignore it.

Joel 2.28 "After this, I will pour my Spirit on everyone. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions. 2.29 In those days I will pour my Spirit on servants, on both men and women. 2.30 I will work miracles in the sky and on the earth: blood, fire, and clouds of smoke. [cf. Acts 2:17 ff.]
I shall pour out my spirit on a woman and she shall prophesy but be silent?

Yes, prophesy, as an expression of the Spirit. According to 1 Cor 14 everyone IN the church can prophesy. However, according to verse 35 not everyone can preach.

Matthew 28:5 But the angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid; I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 28:6 He is not here; for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he lay. 28:7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, 'He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.' This is my message for you." 28:8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples.
I shall tell women to proclaim the message of my resurrection but be silent?

First of all, they wasn't in the church. They wasn't preaching a sermon to the disciples.

Acts 18:24 Now there came to Ephesus a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria. He was an eloquent man, well-versed in the scriptures. 18:25 He had been instructed in the Way of the Lord; and he spoke with burning enthusiasm and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. 18:26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately.
I shall tell Priscilla who instructed my servant Apollos to be silent?

Notice, the taking aside. This was not sitting Apollos down in the synagogue and preaching a sermon to him. We call this witnessing Sister Alvear.

Acts 21:8 The next day we left and came to Caesarea; and we went into the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the seven, and stayed with him. 21:9 He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.
I shall tell Philip's daughters to prophesy but be silent?

Nope, a difference between prophesy and preaching - exercising authority over the man.


I believe that the greater weight of Scripture gives voice to women. Combine this with the fruits of the ministry of women down through the centuries and I am compelled to accept that God calls and equips women for ministry. Paul himself pointed to the fruit of his labour as an evidence for his apostleship (Rom 1:1-6, 1 Cor 9:2). Are women not to be given that same privilege?

Nope this is a faulty deduction on your part, that is not a Biblical conclusion. No female priest in OT, not one female Apostle chosen by the Lord, not one qualification for a female deacon or bishop.

I believe that the WHOLE of Scripture endorses a voice for women. So I am content to act on the calling that God has placed on my life and rejoice when I see individuals (male or female) respond to the Gospel through the words I speak and the life I live.


No where in the Bible does it say for a woman not to preach....

Sure it does forbid women to preach, try 1 Cor 14:34-35, 1 Tim 2:11-12.

[Sister Alvear]

those scriptures do not even use the word preach....