What's The Difference ?

[Ron]

I agree we need to have better discernment, I (not maybe your case) have witnessed a trend in some to bash one's ministry or movement when someone misses.

We all need better discernment.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Bishop1

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ?

What Is The Difference Between

Open Sin
VS
Hidden Sin ?

Evangelistly Speaking
VS
Plain Out Lying ?

Giving More Than Possible
VS
Giving 110% ?

A Sexual Indescretion
VS
Plain Out Adultery ?

Dating A Woman While She Is STILL Legally Married
VS
Dating Someone Else's Wife ?

Watching T V
VS
Watching a Video ?

Watching A Video
VS
Watching A Movie ?

Tithing On Net Income
VS
Stealing ?

" L.W."
VS
" R.N." ?

" B.B."
VS
" F.H." ?

Or
" G.G. " telling everyone at the Mississippi Campmeeting
That " BORAT " Has Just Recieved The 'HOLY GHOST'
VS
Being A FALSE PROPHET ?


{just curious I guess}
Bishop1

Excellent points Bishop. When we give a pass to people just because they are our friends or family and wink at indiscretion, sin or just plain foolishness we abdigate our responsibility to "Prove all things..."

The problem with much of Pentecost is that they really want a neutered pulpit. Oh, they will never admit it, they will say that their mute tongues are that way so as to promote unity. However, when men are censured for telling folks that the emporer has no clothes you can be assured that God is no where to be seen.

This isn't the first time and it won't be the last time but the Nathans are very rarely appreciated.

[rgcraig]

Well Bishop, what do we do about this?

It's not a very popular thread.

Wonder why?

Originally Posted by Bishop1

MY MY MY

HOW QUICKLY

WE DEFEND OUR FRIENDS

BUT

LET'S EXPLORE

THE OTHER QUESTIONS RAISED

AS IF WE ARE OPEN MINDED AND HONEST HEARTED

OR
WILL WE BE TREATED ON THIS FORUM

AS IF IT IS ONLY FOR THE
"UPCI"

ENDORSED ?


Bishop1


" ONE LORD - ONE FAITH - ONE BAPTISM - ONE CHURCH - ONE WIFE "
{ AND THAT, MY FRIEND, IS WHAT WE CALL ONENESS}Greasy Grace

Bishop 1, I would suspect your welcome here 24/7 if you decide to be here that much. Everyone likes you, including myself. I just think it a little unfair to tag G. G. as having no discernment when ANY OF US would have probably surmised that he had received the Holy Ghost as well.

For the record, if it was being said about YOU I would come just as strongly to your defense. I think you know full well that the issue isn't really G. G. or UPC; the issue is a deceptive man intent on mocking a precious experience. This is one of those areas for which it is dangerous to say too quickly "Where was the discernment?"... any of us would have rejoiced at the supposed response (i/e tongues) they saw.

Again, I would have come just as quick to your defense... UPC or not.

Originally Posted by Thumper

Excellent points Bishop. When we give a pass to people just because they are our friends or family and wink at indiscretion, sin or just plain foolishness we abdigate our responsibility to "Prove all things..."

The problem with much of Pentecost is that they really want a neutered pulpit. Oh, they will never admit it, they will say that their mute tongues are that way so as to promote unity. However, when men are censured for telling folks that the emporer has no clothes you can be assured that God is no where to be seen.

This isn't the first time and it won't be the last time but the Nathans are very rarely appreciated.

If you are even remotely insinuating that I'm for anything resembling a fettered pulpit ('neutered' in your words) then you are obviously smoking something VERY strong. Anybody that knows me or my Church knows that nothing takes a precedent over preaching a strong, straight and doctrinally sound message.

However, I preached that very same camp the very next year. When you have that many people getting the Holy Ghost and each time speaking in tongues it is entirely possible to have a fake or two. Thumper, you know that full well.

Can you sincerely say that you have never prayed someone through only to find out the next day, next week or next year (as in this case) that their perceived acts of commitment on an altar weren't exactly in line with their actions outside of that sanctuary?

Do we need more discernment? Absolutely. All of us do. But the day you can tell me you've never been deceived by someone is the day I'll see your character as much less than honest.

[rgcraig]

I believe there are more issues Bishop brought up than just the Borat one.

[ManOfWord]

I was G.G.'s dorm "dad" in Bible School. I spent a lot of time with him and he is a good guy. He was a very good basketball player and hot headed. I had to cool him and some others down more than once. That is just guys being guys. He is a red blooded American male!

That being said, there is always a certain amount of "showmanship" when it comes to camp meetings and large, important venues. I am not criticizing GG, but the organization, almost any organization, has created the possiblity of these things happening. The greater the "show" the more invitations one receives. These kinds of things, if they wre real, translate into more meetings. It is easy to fall into wanting these things to be real instead of having a healthy skepticism. All of this would have been OK if they hadn't taken the "bait" and ran with it.

[The Mrs]

I used the initials RN once.

ONCE.





I got chewed out for it.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

If you are even remotely insinuating that I'm for anything resembling a fettered pulpit ('neutered' in your words) then you are obviously smoking something VERY strong. Anybody that knows me or my Church knows that nothing takes a precedent over preaching a strong, straight and doctrinally sound message.

However, I preached that very same camp the very next year. When you have that many people getting the Holy Ghost and each time speaking in tongues it is entirely possible to have a fake or two. Thumper, you know that full well.

Can you sincerely say that you have never prayed someone through only to find out the next day, next week or next year (as in this case) that their perceived acts of commitment on an altar weren't exactly in line with their actions outside of that sanctuary?

Do we need more discernment? Absolutely. All of us do. But the day you can tell me you've never been deceived by someone is the day I'll see your character as much less than honest.

I know well that some might fake an experience with God. Thats why I adhere to the strict policy "To prove all things..." I don't stand before a conference/congregation screaming about how they got the Holy Ghost. I don't hand the microphone to somebody who nobody knows who just got the Holy Ghost and expect them to make any kind of statement remotely resembling appropriate. Thats called showmanship and it is stench to God. GG is a known offender when it comes to that kind of shenanigans. I have seen it with my own eyes. The fact that this Borat character got him is his own fault.

[Bishop1]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I was G.G.'s dorm "dad" in Bible School.
I spent a lot of time with him and he is a good guy. He was a very
good basketball player and hot headed. I had to cool him and some
others down more than once. That is just guys being guys.
He is a red blooded American male!

That being said, there is always a certain amount of "showmanship"
when it comes to camp meetings and large, important venues.
I am not criticizing GG, but the organization, almost any organization,
has created the possiblity of these things happening.
The greater the "show" the more invitations one receives.
These kinds of things, if they wre real, translate into more meetings.
It is easy to fall into wanting these things to be real instead of having
a healthy skepticism.
All of this would have been OK if they hadn't taken the "bait"
and ran with it.

Some years ago a scallywag
by the name of " G.B. " made the apostolic
pentecostal rounds in the UPCI.

He stated that he came in under the leadeship
of Wilkerson and he supposedly was Nicki Cruz's
gangland running mate.

He also stated that 20 and 30 recieved the Holy
Ghost in each and every service that he conducted.

It seemed that almost everyone was using him
BUT
I felt that something about him did not ring true.

He was speaking in the St Louis area
and
asked my sister-in-law out after Church.

We all went out to a restaurant
and as we were eating and fellowshipping
I mentioned that we had recently been in NYC
even telling him the name of the Church
where I had ministered.

I mentioned that I had talked with a sister
in that church ,{with 4 young children},
who'se husband had left them with no support.

I stated that I knew that NYC is a very large place
but
I still wondered if he knew of her
or
if they could possibly be related
since
they had the same last name.

Well It Seemed That
Ole George Had The Unction
To Suddenly Leave St Louis That Very Night
and
I haven't heard about any Apostolic Church
Using Him Since That Fateful Night -

Bishop1