The Charismatic-Apostolic Relationship

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Bro Flame

When I think of someone being charismatic I generally think of that individual being caught up in prosperity teachings and have little to no convictions when it comes to their personal life and conduct. The believe in the spiritual gifts and might even have a 'prayer language' that they can pray in at the drop of a hat.

You obviously haven't met too many actual charismatics, I see.

Most of the "prosperity gospel" crowd are trinitarian pentecostals. As for flicking the tongues switch on and off, the only people I've known to do that are self identified Pentecostals, mostly trinitarian but quite a few oneness as well.

The Shepherding movement was/is a charismatic movement. That group had standards and controls that would scare a Branhamite.

I think what you call "charismatic" is anybody who believes in spiritual gifts and isn't oneness and doesn't believe in "standards" as defined by conservative oneness groups.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think what you call "charismatic" is anybody who believes in spiritual gifts and isn't oneness and doesn't believe in "standards" as defined by conservative oneness groups.

Most people call that charismatic.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Bro Flame

Most people call that charismatic.

Most oneness people call that charismatic. Nice bubble you live in.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Most oneness people call that charismatic. Nice bubble you live in.

Bubble?

Isn't the norm here for anyone that backslides, dress immodestly, but still speaks in tongues to be charismatic?

I know that doesn't define everyone. It would be silly to think that. I know there is great diversity within the Charismatic movement. I also know that just because someone isn't Apostolic doesn't mean they're Charismatic, or that they want to be labeled as such.

[Esaias]

The norm here?

There is no norm here.

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The norm here?

There is no norm here.

Precisely.

[coksiw]

I have seen some Charismatic ideas in Apostolic Pentecostal church, which, it doesn't surprise me. Biblical teaching should have some renaissance in Oneness Pentecostalism.