Questions About Greek Theos

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, what about English? What about G O D?

Where are you going with this?

Every language has a generic term for deities. Hence the reason we have the NAME. Jesus. Everyone all over the world can identify Him.

Actually I am preparing myself to hopefully return to the battlefield of teaching and contending for Oneness truth. The past year all in all was fairly dry for me in that area.

Many has been the time in the past when the Greek readers have challenged my doctrine of Oneness. I am just reinforcing what I have taught before mainly there is only one God.

When I quote Mark 12:29 I dont want any humiliating surprises. I am confident in this truth even with the Greek readers in the sense that I am usually aware of where the attacks are going to be so I can be prepared. Also in the belief that the translators of the Majority text probably knew the Greek at least as well as they do.

[Scott Pitta]

Mark 12:29 κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν reads the same in Greek as it does in English. I would not worry about some Greek subtleties in meaning in this phrase.

[rdp]

*Both the immediate context and grammar employed in Mark 12.29 demands “one person” for the masculine singular “heis”—and I have many more quotes that I could post to that end (found several more tonight).

*Mike, my advice is to just ignore those who haven’t taken university Greek and Hebrew. Copy-paste the quotes I have provided, and, again, I have many more if you need them. This masculine singular adjective is ALWAYS a stumper for Trinitarian apologists—even when they know it’s coming beforehand (e.g., Bruce Reeves, Dr. Edward Dalcour, Dr. James White, etc.).

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by rdp

*Both the immediate context and grammar employed in Mark 12.29 demands “one person” for the masculine singular “heis”—and I have many more quotes that I could post to that end (found several more tonight).

*Mike, my advice is to just ignore those who haven’t taken university Greek and Hebrew. Copy-paste the quotes I have provided, and, again, I have many more if you need them. This masculine singular adjective is ALWAYS a stumper for Trinitarian apologists—even when they know it’s coming beforehand (e.g., Bruce Reeves, Dr. Edward Dalcour, Dr. James White, etc.).

Thanks.

[Scott Pitta]

Where dd rdp learn Koine Greek ??

Just curious.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by rdp

*Both the immediate context and grammar employed in Mark 12.29 demands “one person” for the masculine singular “heis”...

This is Trinitarian-style error, trying to force “person” and “persons” in places where they are not in the scripture text, and are not demanded.

Mark 12:29 (AV)
And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord our God is one Lord:

[Scott Pitta]

I just reread Mark 12:29 in the Greek.

"One person" is unsustainable.

Don't blame it on the trinitarians, blame it on ignorance of Koine Greek.

If Mark wanted the sentence to mean "one person" he would have used the word soma, or a similar phrase.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Where dd rdp learn Koine Greek ??

Just curious.

Ποιός νοιάζεται!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I just reread Mark 12:29 in the Greek.

"One person" is unsustainable.

Don't blame it on the trinitarians, blame it on ignorance of Koine Greek.

If Mark wanted the sentence to mean "one person" he would have used the word soma, or a similar phrase.

*To be fully expected, the ignorance of biblical Greek comes from you—not the actual tons of quotes from grammars, lexicographers, commentaries, etc. ad nauseum. “Soma” (σῶμα) means “body” Scott—of course Yahweh didn’t have a “body” in heaven when Christ made this affirmation. Don’t be absurd. I never cease to be amazed at the overall rife ignorance on AFF.

*Oh, since I won’t be wasting another second in this silly forum, and you asked where I learned Koine’ above—I took Greek from Dr. Maury Robertson, graduated with an overall grade of 95%, and am currently in Greek 2 (just wrapped up Hebrew 1—which was farrr harder for me than Greek was). It was a full year of university Greek (the graduation diploma/certificate affirms this, signed by Dr. Robertson).

*Dr. Robertson was on a monthly retainer fee to help me when I would get stuck for a couple of years. We talked often about varying Greek texts. He knows I am Oneness and knows about my blog (at least he used to). We had some very good discussions about John 1.1, Colossians 1.16, John 10.30, etc. He’s a very honest man.

*Not being braggadocios at all, but just pointing out that he told me personally that I had a “land record speed” of wrapping up the course. That no one had ever come close to speeding though like I did (of course, I was also spending 4-5 hours per night on the courses). And, to be completely fair, I had been studying Greek for many years prior to formalizing my education, which I doubt other students had done. Dr. Robertson pushed me to go into Greek 2, which I am now (slowly) doing.

*Also have an Elder who has tutored me for years and years, who was a Greek professor for years, who graduated Greek 5, also with a 95%. Sorry Scott, but it is YOU who is ignorant of the original languages, as well documented over and over here on AFF.

*Oh, before I exit AFF (I simply don’t have the time to waste on here anymore), I did want to leave those that are sincere Bro. David Bernard’s most recent work which was actually his Ph.D. dissertation on Oneness. I was in contact w. him earlier today and he knows that the PDF is already in the public domain. Here’s a review from Brill Publishers: https://brill.com/view/journals/pneu...13.xml?lang=en

*Here’s the actual PDF (I would suggest getting the paper back also though):

http://uir.unisa.ac.za/bitstream/han...=1&isAllowed=y

*Don’t say I never gave you anything—you too Avery !

*My advice to those wishing to defend the Oneness is to completely ignore those ignorant of original language research and stick w. those who have actually taken the classes and done the hard work (& believe me—it IS VERY time consuming). It’s an absolute waste of your energies and time that can spent in serious academia. Remember, there is none so blind as those who refuse to see what it put before their very eyes. Contact me anytime via my blog.

*God bless!

[Scott Pitta]

What college or university is rdp a student at ??