All of ya'll decipher this!

[JoeBandy]

[QUOTE=TakingDominion;1493779]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

No interest in picking your observations apart. I don't like mine picked apart. You see the Bible says work out your own salvation. I can walk down the beach and see nearly nude women and not think twice. My BIL however not so much. I could see a gram of cocaine and a bottle of whiskey and not even cross my mind to take a swig or snort a line. However I tend to curse like a sailor and harbor some hatred (not with a church or org.). I am not against anything that will help YOU make it. MY struggle is not the same as yours and vice versa.[/QUOTE]

Bro Joe, if you really feel this way why do you keep challenging other poster's beliefs on holiness and Oneness?

Just my observation..

I don't think I have "challenged" holiness or Oneness. You are taking my comments as argumentative and not inquisitive. That may be some my fault. However it has been my experience when one does have sincere questions with rebuttals it is automatically assumed as argumentative.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Thanks for the response. The lake is about 5000 acres. The fish were in 14-16 feet of water. I was vertical jig fishing and caught over 100 crappie. You pegged the temp. Now, does all of this matter? If you wanted to go to the same area I did and catch crappie.. yes. However, if you would have read my post and took it to mean exactly how you laid it out and went and caught 16 nice catfish you could even more easily argue the point of your "accuracy". Now we both have fish to eat and both had a good time and both could use the same exact words of my first post to tell our fish story. Now to finally get to my point ever how simplistic it may seem to all you theologians here. There is a lot of scripture that is non specific or written in a cultural context that some have deciphered to mean something ( various holiness standards) and then have taken that interpretation and made it a salvific doctrine. God is willing none perish. So much so he gave Noah very specific instructions on building the Ark, same details on handling the Ark of the Covenant, and how the High Priest were to handle things. So much so he sent Jesus with a very specific plan that fulfilled prophecy. So much so that He made sure it was Peter (who was given the keys to the kingdom) who gave the Acts 2 message. Now IMO if all these so called holiness standard were salvific God would have made sure it was as black and white as Acts 2:38!

Do you have scripture to back up your opinion? So many opinions... but what does THE BIBLE say?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you have scripture to back up your opinion? So many opinions... but what does THE BIBLE say?

Bro, JB's post reminds me of the time I was packing my luggage in the back of my car. My wife was with my infant daughter in the back seat. I was talking to a minister while I was packing the car, and the minister used the Latin word for black. That blew my mind. Especially because of those who made up the greater share of his congregation. I have seen a lot of things, heard a lot of things with my own ears. But what never ceases to amaze me is that people know what they are doing is wrong. I mean people don't curse when they know that it would either get them fired, or something worse. People know how to control their anger, especially when their money jingle is concerned. But when it comes to Churchanity, we enter another dimension? A dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mindlessness? A journey into a wondrous land of imagination? The next stop? The cool liberal guy in the conservative UPC church who curses like Popeye when he loses control?

Calvinism sure sunk some battleships.

Jesus will not be held accountable for any of this.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, JB's post reminds me of the time I was packing my luggage in the back of my car. My wife was with my infant daughter in the back seat. I was talking to a minister while I was packing the car, and the minister used the Latin word for black. That blew my mind. Especially because of those who made up the greater share of his congregation. I have seen a lot of things, heard a lot of things with my own ears. But what never ceases to amaze me is that people know what they are doing is wrong. I mean people don't curse when they know that it would either get them fired, or something worse. People know how to control their anger, especially when their money jingle is concerned. But when it comes to Churchanity, we enter another dimension? A dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mindlessness? A journey into a wondrous land of imagination? The next stop? The cool liberal guy in the conservative UPC church who curses like Popeye when he loses control?

Calvinism sure sunk some battleships.

Jesus will not be held accountable for any of this.

Cursed! Past tense. What is Calvinism? Fans of that NBA team in Cleveland??

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Cursed! Past tense. What is Calvinism? Fans of that NBA team in Cleveland??

Oh, I'm so sorry Joe.

It sure looks like it is still possible since you wrote "tend to" instead of "use to?"

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

No interest in picking your observations apart. I don't like mine picked apart. You see the Bible says work out your own salvation. I can walk down the beach and see nearly nude women and not think twice. My BIL however not so much. I could see a gram of cocaine and a bottle of whiskey and not even cross my mind to take a swig or snort a line.

However I tend to curse like a sailor and harbor some hatred

(not with a church or org.). I am not against anything that will help YOU make it. MY struggle is not the same as yours and vice versa.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh, I'm so sorry Joe.

It sure looks like it is still possible since you wrote "tend to" instead of "use to?"

Yep. Are you a proof reader on the side?

[Aquila]

[QUOTE=JoeBandy;1493785]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

I don't think I have "challenged" holiness or Oneness. You are taking my comments as argumentative and not inquisitive. That may be some my fault. However it has been my experience when one does have sincere questions with rebuttals it is automatically assumed as argumentative.

Let me see if I understand what you're saying.

You aren't challenging holiness standards or interpretations of Christology that others embrace, you're challenging the dogmatism that some hold that would say that everyone must agree with their conclusions or be lost, am I correct?

[Aquila]

One of the most valuable aspects of Spirit filled Christianity, in my opinion, is that it does offer some interpretive flexibility that lends it to being relevant in any culture or time period. Essential truths never change. How they are applied and understood might. And in our day, they even differ from church to church. This is a strength, not a weakness. At least biblical Christianity isn't frozen in the Bronze Age like Islam.

[JoeBandy]

[QUOTE=Aquila;1493998]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Let me see if I understand what you're saying.

You aren't challenging holiness standards or interpretations of Christology that others embrace, you're challenging the dogmatism that some hold that would say that everyone must agree with their conclusions or be lost, am I correct?

Not really challenging. I consider that a harder core term for my intention. I will try and find some word in a few.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Yep. Are you a proof reader on the side?

No one needed a proof reader for that post.

The whole context within the post sounds like you are talking about different issues and strengths. You can walk down a beach on planet naked and it wouldn't be a problem. Yet harboring hate, and cursing like Andrew Dice is your weighted burden.