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03-02-2017, 07:49 PM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I sure like them but I would not say ultra con...but they are good folks. I love to hear Brother Miles Young preach.
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He's preaching tonight's service in about two hours ^_^
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03-02-2017, 11:10 PM
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Re: No Limits 2017
If they are not ultra cons what are they doing in the World Wide Wrestling Pentecostal Fellowship? Those are the folks who left the UPC because it was too liberal.
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03-03-2017, 01:14 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by Birddog
Uuuuuh, since when were they ULTRA- con?
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*Exactly. Not even mildly "ultra con" .
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03-03-2017, 07:48 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by CC1
If they are not ultra cons what are they doing in the World Wide Wrestling Pentecostal Fellowship? Those are the folks who left the UPC because it was too liberal.
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TRC is on the left side of the WPF spectrum.
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03-03-2017, 10:01 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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If they are not ultra cons what are they doing in the World Wide Wrestling Pentecostal Fellowship? Those are the folks who left the UPC because it was too liberal.
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Correct. By most standards, no pun intended, they are ultra. As for Bro.Young preaching while hosting, he's one of my favorites, and did an awesome job last night.
Bishop Wilson was the 2nd speaker yesterday morning, and he was wonderful, as usual.
The musical selections have been great, but am not too fond of who they bring in each year to direct the choir. But that's just my opinion, for what it is worth...
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03-03-2017, 10:05 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by Barb
Correct. By most standards, no pun intended, they are ultra. As for Bro.Young preaching while hosting, he's one of my favorites, and did an awesome job last night.
Bishop Wilson was the 2nd speaker yesterday morning, and he was wonderful, as usual.
The musical selections have been great, but am not too fond of who they bring in each year to direct the choir. But that's just my opinion, for what it is worth...
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Agree with the bold!
I have liked the music better this year than years previous....what I have heard anyway.
Still say that if TRC is considered conservative....they are on the far left side of the 'conservative movement'. However, I have enjoyed what parts of the services I have had opportunity to listen to so far.
I did not get to hear Bishop Wilson this time but I like him and usually really enjoy hearing him preach. The man is a genius.
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03-03-2017, 10:11 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by consapente89
TRC is on the left side of the WPF spectrum.
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By observation of attending WPF events is that it has grown more "moderate".
Conversely, since the WPF left, the UPC has grown more conservative.
At least in my observations, which is mainly of youth events for both orgs.
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03-03-2017, 10:27 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
By observation of attending WPF events is that it has grown more "moderate".
Conversely, since the WPF left, the UPC has grown more conservative.
At least in my observations, which is mainly of youth events for both orgs.
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I agree that the WPF has moved to the left since its founding. When I first attended its meetings there was tremendous emphasis on prayer, doctrine, and holiness and less emphasis on hype and what I would term "Professional Pentecost". Pre-service prayer was a main emphasis in the beginning and I rarely see it in WPF meetings nowadays. I would love to see it go back to where it was when it began.
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03-03-2017, 10:31 AM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by CC1
If they are not ultra cons what are they doing in the World Wide Wrestling Pentecostal Fellowship? Those are the folks who left the UPC because it was too liberal.
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Not even. They left UPC because of the UPC stand on TV, and for the fact that they wanted to form something that they were in control of.
Many in the WPF would be classified as moderates, def not ultracon.
I heard a ultracon classify NW as a closet liberal, and this was 15 years ago.
No.... def not in the ultracon camp.
Now that does not mean that I disagree with the WPF, but don't mistake them as ultras.
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03-03-2017, 12:32 PM
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Re: No Limits 2017
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Originally Posted by Birddog
Not even. They left UPC because of the UPC stand on TV, and for the fact that they wanted to form something that they were in control of.
Many in the WPF would be classified as moderates, def not ultracon.
I heard a ultracon classify NW as a closet liberal, and this was 15 years ago.
No.... def not in the ultracon camp.
Now that does not mean that I disagree with the WPF, but don't mistake them as ultras.
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Bishop NJW was my pastor,and I would NEVER label him a closet liberal. He has softened on a few things he was death on...colored shirts on men on platform, golf...nonessentials.
So the ultra/everything is sin but fresh air crowd might call him liberal, but I would say moderately conservative, and compared to some I know, even ultra.
Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder... 
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