A new American constitutional republic

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

NEWS FLASH: We are in this situation as Christians for the simple fact that the Federal Government at will operates outside of the limits placed on it by the States in the Constitution. These issues will not be resolved by trying to "fix Washington". Our only hope is the establishment of new American republic whose government is patterned after the original intent of the Framers concerning the Constitution and Amendments added (with the exception of the 16th and 17th Amendments, and with a drastically clarified 14th Amendment).

Christians will never again experience the freedoms they once did, nor will States ever again enjoy the republican form of government and rights to self determination while remaining part of this corrupt Union.

There are many independence movements in Texas and some are not worth considering. But there is one that stands out as a logical, well-thought-out movement all Christians should become a part of. Texas can be the first domino of many to fall if we will concentrate our efforts in restoring her status as an independent nation instead of languishing the way we are now, hoping for a conservative President to arise someday.

Christians deserve a country where they can be assured the public schools will be true centers of learning rather than indoctrination centers run by leftists, where they never fear an activist Supreme Court legislating from the bench by forcing churches to accept the gay agenda, where local communities run their own affairs and decide for themselves on whether or not to have prayer in school or religious expressions on public land.

This is not a joke , friends. This is simply history repeating itself. History is on the side of freedom and self-determination. We owe to ourselves, to our posterity, the Framers and to God to preserve Christian American values, even if it is in a geographically smaller area.

And this post only covers the moral and religious reasons for independence. We have not even discussed the huge financial advantages separation from the USA will bring.

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As a native born Texan, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea of secession and independence. In fact, a a LOT of native born Texans are (you would actually be surprised, I know I was when I began to actually talk to ordinary folks here and there about this subject...) but there are two problems:

1. As much as Texans think of themselves as Texans, they also think of themselves as Americans. In fact, it has always been this way (it's why Union took place so soon and so easily after Independence). The idea of secession inevitably brings up the question of 'Are we ceasing to be AMERICANS?' Most Texans are not willing to go that far, in my opinion.

2. The state is currently being overrun with carpetbaggers and illegals. All the major cities are liberal police state utopias, especially the capital, Austin. Texas, if secession came to the fore, would be like Kansas in the 1850s-1860s - split right down the line with neighbors on either side of the same street opposed to one another. Until there is a consensus among the citizens, Texas will never secede. And at the current rate, consensus cannot be obtained on any issue whatsoever, due to the mass importation of non-Texans and their east coast/west coast/south of the border 'values'.

In all honesty, there simply will not be a political solution of any kind possible to the mess this nation is in, until a spiritual solution is found. And it can be done, it has been done before in history. I believe that at some point it will be done again, but until that happens, it's only downhill to the abyss (which has no bottom).

[shazeep]

how's Anarchy lookin' now?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

As a native born Texan, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea of secession and independence. In fact, a a LOT of native born Texans are (you would actually be surprised, I know I was when I began to actually talk to ordinary folks here and there about this subject...) but there are two problems:

1. As much as Texans think of themselves as Texans, they also think of themselves as Americans. In fact, it has always been this way (it's why Union took place so soon and so easily after Independence). The idea of secession inevitably brings up the question of 'Are we ceasing to be AMERICANS?' Most Texans are not willing to go that far, in my opinion.

2. The state is currently being overrun with carpetbaggers and illegals. All the major cities are liberal police state utopias, especially the capital, Austin. Texas, if secession came to the fore, would be like Kansas in the 1850s-1860s - split right down the line with neighbors on either side of the same street opposed to one another. Until there is a consensus among the citizens, Texas will never secede. And at the current rate, consensus cannot be obtained on any issue whatsoever, due to the mass importation of non-Texans and their east coast/west coast/south of the border 'values'.

In all honesty, there simply will not be a political solution of any kind possible to the mess this nation is in, until a spiritual solution is found. And it can be done, it has been done before in history. I believe that at some point it will be done again, but until that happens, it's only downhill to the abyss (which has no bottom).

Recent polls show that nearly half of Texans think their should be a referendum on independence. That does not mean that many would vote for independence in such a referendum, but it shows that interest in the topic has greatly increased.

Here is why I see it coming. As Hillary unveils her plan for a North American Union, Texans will see it as their job to maintain some semblance of the United States. You mentioned how they see themselves as Americans as well as Texans. Fine. That is why they will secede. Their theme will be, "We are not leaving America. America left us. We ARE America." Millions of loyal Americans will flood to the State and declare residency there to sure up the independence vote. This will offset any liberal carpetbagger influence.

All the conditions are lining up for this historic event.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Recent polls show that nearly half of Texans think their should be a referendum on independence. That does not mean that many would vote for independence in such a referendum, but it shows that interest in the topic has greatly increased.

Here is why I see it coming. As Hillary unveils her plan for a North American Union, Texans will see it as their job to maintain some semblance of the United States. You mentioned how they see themselves as Americans as well as Texans. Fine. That is why they will secede. Their theme will be, "We are not leaving America. America left us. We ARE America." Millions of loyal Americans will flood to the State and declare residency there to sure up the independence vote. This will offset any liberal carpetbagger influence.

All the conditions are lining up for this historic event.

Millions of DISloyal "Americans" and foreigners are already flooding the state and setting up residency here. So there's that to contend with prior to any successful referendum.

We would also need a governorship and Lt. governorship with some real brass. As "Texan" as the current crew is, they are still attached at the navel to Uncle Sam and the globalists. But you never know... Texas politicians have a habit of getting certain priorities mixed up...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

how's Anarchy lookin' now?

Just as useless and silly as it ever did. Anarchy has never been anything but a tool for Communists to use to destabilize things in prep for "the Revolution".

Hey, listen, I grew up as a kid listening to Dad play "the Ballad of Sacco and Vanzetti" more times than I can count. Trust me, I know my -isms. I grew up around socialists, anarchists, "people's power", and Irish Republicanism. I knew more about John Connoly and Padraig Pearse than I did about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson.

Anarchy is not what you think it is. At all.

[shazeep]

well, i have to disagree, sorry. It works quite well for me, seems to manifest much more universal respect, and the food is real. Of course, I'm know that there are many Chaos agents saying "Anarchy," but then what group is that not true of. But seek your own best way to leave the world, BAM.

O, there is a similar movement up to the less inhabited area east of the Idaho mountains through the next couple of states, can't recall their tagline, but maybe you're familiar?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

God bless America's free press and our freedom of speech.

It is only free press and freedom of speech for political correct positions.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i have to disagree, sorry. It works quite well for me, seems to manifest much more universal respect, and the food is real. Of course, I'm know that there are many Chaos agents saying "Anarchy," but then what group is that not true of. But seek your own best way to leave the world, BAM.

O, there is a similar movement up to the less inhabited area east of the Idaho mountains through the next couple of states, can't recall their tagline, but maybe you're familiar?

Independence is not anarchy. Was Brexit anarchy? did you study the links provided? No.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i have to disagree, sorry. It works quite well for me, seems to manifest much more universal respect, and the food is real. Of course, I'm know that there are many Chaos agents saying "Anarchy," but then what group is that not true of. But seek your own best way to leave the world, BAM.

I think you are using a term with your own definition perhaps?

O, there is a similar movement up to the less inhabited area east of the Idaho mountains through the next couple of states, can't recall their tagline, but maybe you're familiar?

lol they're called Aryan Nations and they are run by feds.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

It is only free press and freedom of speech for political correct positions.

yup. dissention is obviously being actively suppressed.