Who is your virgin

[Servant's <3]

I completely agree with you. In the American culture keeping your virginity is almost considered unattainable unless you are some kind of prude.

Those of us that do are met with derision or scorn. Especially the older one gets.

Although I guess there is also the idea that they don't want to make those that haven't kept it feel bad? IDK

One person (outside the church) tried to convince me I wasn't a man, which is laughable.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The chapter mentions persecution that made it better to stay single. " This distress. " That's persecution. But if the daughters marry then let them marry so long as its to a saved man.... in the Lord.

1 Cor 7: 26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. note

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

Just because Paul said it's better to remain single to be free to do more for God and also due to burden of persecution in those days, having to care for family in times of danger, it's still not a son to marry.

Only to saved people.

39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; >>>>only in the Lord.<<<<

Just a couple of added thoughts, as I read these passages and studied them. First the term virgin is entirely an English word we must not confuse with the issue at hand.
The word virgin, in the Greek is maiden, by implication, an unmarried daughter. Just because the translators used the word "virgin" does not necessitate, that they had not had sexual relations. Yes I know so shoot me for even thinking such a thing.

The second thing I saw, is that the father gave his daughter to be married, it was the fathers choice, he could keep his daughters at home unmarried. This is the part where Paul says "if any man think the father behaves uncomely towards his unmarried daughter". It is speaking of a father that does not marry his daughter off by the time she becomes a women.

That being said, other than the part of the chapter where Paul speaks of not defrauding your mate, in marriage, Paul does not address sexual impurity before marriage in this chapter.
Don't get me wrong, that is not to say Paul does not teach against fornication, because he teaches against ALL sexual impurity else where.

Dealing with the later part of the chapter, when he says the married wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives, by law. What law is he speaking of? That was a rhetorical question, by the way. For it does not matter if he was speaking of the cultural law in Corinth, or Mosaic law, the end is the same.
What I did get from verse 39. Is that while the husband of the wife that was given in marriage by her father still lives she is bound to stay with him as long as he is alive. But if he dies she is free to marry who she choose so long as he is saved.

Just a few thoughts I got on the subject when studying this chapter.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

I completely agree with you. In the American culture keeping your virginity is almost considered unattainable unless you are some kind of prude.

Those of us that do are met with derision or scorn. Especially the older one gets.

Although I guess there is also the idea that they don't want to make those that haven't kept it feel bad? IDK

One person (outside the church) tried to convince me I wasn't a man, which is laughable.

I just hope that person was a coworker and not a friend, because if he is a friend I would consider finding new friends.

That being said, I don't think it is as much as being a prude unless you are a man. Because men in general both in and out of the world, will push a young lady as far as they will go, in the name of love. And yes many worldly men and boys count the conquest of girls they have had. Thus you can be called a prude by some if you have not had sexual relations.
But for girls, the far majority of them would stay pure if not for the lies of love and commitment said by the boys and men that just want to get into their pants or under their dress.

The fault of this culture should be placed where it belongs, at the feet of men and boys that are not man enough to keep their desires in control, and keep themselves pure for marriage.

[Servant's <3]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But for girls, the far majority of them would stay pure if not for the lies of love and commitment said by the boys and men that just want to get into their pants or under their dress.

The fault of this culture should be placed where it belongs, at the feet of men and boys that are not man enough to keep their desires in control, and keep themselves pure for marriage.

I can generally agree with this statement. Although I have repelled a woman before for trying to go in that direction.

I try to not do anything or even the appearance of things that I would not do if my pastor were directly looking at me.

Also, coworker, definately not my friend.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I just hope that person was a coworker and not a friend, because if he is a friend I would consider finding new friends.

That being said, I don't think it is as much as being a prude unless you are a man. Because men in general both in and out of the world, will push a young lady as far as they will go, in the name of love. And yes many worldly men and boys count the conquest of girls they have had. Thus you can be called a prude by some if you have not had sexual relations.
But for girls, the far majority of them would stay pure if not for the lies of love and commitment said by the boys and men that just want to get into their pants or under their dress.

The fault of this culture should be placed where it belongs, at the feet of men and boys that are not man enough to keep their desires in control, and keep themselves pure for marriage.

It seems to me that young ladies who pursue men and are unrestrained have had some abuse growing up. I do think that even young ladies are finding more peer pressure than in the past from other ladies in this area as well. Things are getting more confused also as gender identity is becoming so mixed up.

I seen also where it said maiden or unmarried daughter. I believe virgin was appropriately translated though. I certainly don't think it was acceptable behavior for maiden daughters to play the harlot. Men who laid with another man's daughter was probably in a heap of trouble, because the father was the head over her until she was given in marriage. In the case premarital relations happened the offender was probably expected to honor the lady in a continued marriage relationship.

The times that young maidens wouldn't have actually been virgins where probably due to rape or incest. It probably was kept secret as well. IMO. I think that Phillips daughter's where virgins just as the KJV said.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Servant's <3

I can generally agree with this statement. Although I have repelled a woman before for trying to go in that direction.

I try to not do anything or even the appearance of things that I would not do if my pastor were directly looking at me.

Also, coworker, definately not my friend.

The biggest part of your statement that gets me is the part about, your pastor directly looking at you.

That makes it more important what your pastor thinks than God IMO.

[good samaritan]

I personally care what my pastor thinks about me. I don't think that servant was meaning that his pastor was more important than God.

[Servant's <3]

I definitely don't hold my pastor above God. I care far and away more what God thinks about my actions, words and thoughts than anyone else.

However, I do care what my pastor thinks because I am young and not always able to see the descent into some things and how certain seemingly inocuous things can lead to decidedly less inocuous things. I can rely on my pastor's wisdom to not do the things that seem inocuous to me but aren't.