Another Black Man Shot By Cops... Florida

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, why is race always brought into these reports?

Because it plays a part. It shouldn't but it does.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Because it plays a part. It shouldn't but it does.

racial violence

Prove it.

You'll have to prove that a black cop would have done differently among a dozen other things, like this white cop would have reacted differently to a white guy fleeing.

Where is the scientific data that proves white cops are out to kill blacks?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

While I agree with much of what you say, I don't agree with all. Neither do I think the statements above are pertinent to the situation at hand.


We are witnessing racial violence resulting in DEATH by POLICE OFFICERS in situations that are highly questionable and in situations where there are no question that an injustice has occurred.

The police officers have a high standard they MUST uphold or else our system of justice doesn't work. For many black Americans, the system does not work properly and that is because of individual racial prejudice in many instances. Still because these individuals are part of our national system of justice, the argument can be made that we are witnessing a form of INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.

It has been the opinion of many blacks that the justice system is flawed from the foundation for a very long time-- the foundation being the police forces that carry out justice and injustice at the local level.

My shock is not that the police killed a mentally ill black man that did not pose a threat to the life of any police officer. My shock is that it was recorded on camera and now we can say, "See I told you so-- but no one believed us."

In another situation, in South Carolina, as brazenly murderous as that police officer's actions were, the shock is that it was caught on camera and now we can say, "See, I told you so-- but no one believed us."

Too many Americans are in denial of that fact that police officers across this country treat their black citizens... differently. The same citizens they have sworn to protect are the citizens that they sometime betray and beat and shoot and sometimes kill in the name of justice and public safety.

Then the good and the bad police officers rally to protect each others back when someone dares question their actions.

Then good-hearted but naive Americans rush to defend the cops as our cops would never do anything wrong-- they have sworn to protect us.

Then the victims and their families are left without justice, lives torn upside down. Adding insult to injury, it is most often decided that it is the victim's fault that the victim was betrayed by the same people who are supposed to be protecting us.

There are some bad people-- but there are and have been over the years, SO MANY QUESTIONABLE AND EVEN UNQUESTIONABLE SITUATIONS WHERE INJUSTICE INSTEAD OF JUSTICE WAS THE FINAL OUTCOME. More often then not in these situations, the victims have been black-- not in all, but in the majority.

With the above said, and not as attack towards you either, there is no question that statistically I believe and the numbers show that you are correct. Kindly do not interpret the above as denial that the targeting happens and no matter the reason we should not turn our heads when it does.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originalist,

All I can show is the incidences and the history. You think you can place elements of our society into a vacuum and say everything is ok.

I disagree with you. Everything is not ok. We have history and current day events aligning in front of our very eyes.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

With the above said, and not as attack towards you either, there is no question that statistically I believe and the numbers show that you are correct. Kindly do not interpret the above as denial that the targeting happens and no matter the reason we should not turn our heads when it does.

Black on black violence in high-crime areas is the biggest threat to the black Americans living in the high crime areas.

Still, over zealous cops with their racial profiling and etc are also an active threat to all Americans, but I say especially Black Americans.

I can avoid high-crime areas. How do I avoid cops? They are everywhere.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Originalist,

All I can show is the incidences and the history. You think you can place elements of our society into a vacuum and say everything is ok.

I disagree with you. Everything is not ok. We have history and current day events aligning in front of our very eyes.

Again, where is the evidence to substantiate such a charge? I'm not slamming you, but too many cry racism when there is none. THAT is our "recent history".

I have personally witnessed cops ignoring complaints about blacks because they were afraid of being labeled racist. If anything it seems like "sensitivity" is in the blacks' favor.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Black on black violence in high-crime areas is the biggest threat to the black Americans living in the high crime areas.

Still, over zealous cops with their racial profiling and etc are also an active threat to all Americans, but I say especially Black Americans.

I can avoid high-crime areas. How do I avoid cops? They are everywhere.

I would be in favor of a social experiment in a few major cities where only black cops can patrol in areas with predominately black populations. That might be the only way to prove anything one way or another. Though it might take a few years to compile accurate data.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I would be in favor of a social experiment in a few major cities where only black cops can patrol in areas with predominately black populations. That might be the only way to prove anything one way or another. Though it might take a few years to compile accurate data.

Separate but equal is not equal.

However, I have always thought that it made sense to have all or at least the bulk of your police officers to be residents of the city or town they police.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Separate but equal is not equal.

However, I have always thought that it made sense to have all or at least the bulk of your police officers to be residents of the city or town they police.

Why did I know you'd say that? I'm not advocating "separate but equal'. I'm advocating an experiment to gauge whether or not incidence of unarmed blacks being shot by cops would be any different if the cops involved were of the same race.

On a similar note, Jermyn, please let me ask you something.
What is your reaction to FBI crime stats that show violent black on white crime dwarfs violent white on black crime? Isn't that really the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about? Doesn't the ignoring of such stats by the media and government demonstrate that, all in all, discrimination is in the Afro-Americans' favor?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

too many cry racism when there is none

So because too many have cried wolf, racism goes unchecked.

In this situation, with 19 minutes of video where the officer's life was clearly not threatened by the mentally ill black man holding a broom, why did the police kill him?

Maybe it wasn't racism. Maybe the cops just got tired of dealing with the mentally ill man so they killed him-- and he just happened to be black.

Even if that was the case, it doens't make it right-- the cop's life was not threatened!