Do You Believe Jesus' Words?

[Truthseeker]

Is the cracker and 10ml grape juice even communion?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Is the cracker and 10ml grape juice even communion?

Jesus simply said bread and wine.

[Jermyn Davidson]

seekerman,
I believe the Words of Jesus, just like I believe the Bible in general. What I don't believe is the twisting of scriptures for some obscure and usually false doctrinal point.

I don't get the point of your questioning.

So YES, I believe the Words of Jesus Christ.
Now what?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

seekerman,
I believe the Words of Jesus, just like I believe the Bible in general. What I don't believe is the twisting of scriptures for some obscure and usually false doctrinal point.

I don't get the point of your questioning.

So YES, I believe the Words of Jesus Christ.
Now what?

Try to obey them.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Try to obey them.

Do we literally drink of living water when we recive the Spirit?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Do we literally drink of living water when we recive the Spirit?

I dunno. Is there something from Jesus which would indicate this?

[Praxeas]

Acts 8:30-31 NKJV

So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I dunno. Is there something from Jesus which would indicate this?

We figuratively drink of the Spirit, as it were water. Thus the analogy used by Christ.

We figuratively drink of his blood and eat of his flesh when we are born again. We celebrate this with a typology of his blood and body, the communion elements.

[Esaias]

As I said on the other thread, if you do the following, you are NOT eating the Lord's Supper:

1. Multiple, individual wafers.
2. Multiple thimbles of grape juice.
3. Special 'words of consecration' that magically make the wafers and thimbles anything other than wafers and thimbles - including any nonsense about making them somehow now, suddenly, 'represent' the body and blood of Jesus.
4. Deep introspection and going over all one's sins prior to 'partaking' in order to 'not be unworthy' of eating.
5. Standing in line to 'take communion'.
6. 'Taking' communion. (how do you 'take' fellowship????)
7. Requiring only a specially designated person to say the magic words that makes the bread and wine/juice 'special' in some pseudo-catholic mystery religion sense.
8. Failing to see that the FELLOWSHIP of the body of Christ is our joint participation as THE BODY OF CHRIST in God's grace.
9. Failing to see that the FELLOWSHIP of the blood of Christ is our joint participation as THE BODY OF CHRIST IN ONE NEW COVENANT with God by His grace.
Most Protestants commit two great errors in regard to the Lord's Supper.

1. They make it a mere 'symbolic' ritual. IE an empty ritual. The Lord's Supper is most definitely a 'means of grace'.
2. They also, mysteriously, simultaneously, make it a mystery cult rite, a magical ceremony where a special person (clergy) says some special words (the words of consecration) which makes the imitation Mass wafers and the thimbles of juice into some kind of super special 'mysteries'. The only SUBSTANTIAL* difference between a typical Protestant 'communion service' (as practiced by the UPC and others) and a Tridentine Mass or Divine Liturgy is the issue of 'transubstantiation'.

*pun intended.

[Blackxeas]

I believe all of Jesus' words!