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Old 10-25-2013, 10:07 AM
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Re: Failure of Single Payer

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As my friend Jack Wakeland put it to me: "Obamacare can't be fixed because it was designed to break."

"Obamacare was designed to fail; to fail slowly and incrementally; to fail in a way that would convince people that private, for-profit health insurance companies are the reason why America's catastrophically overpriced and malfunctioning health care system hasn't worked, doesn't work, and will never work. The architects of the Affordable Care Act wanted to 'prove' that third-party private insurance should be scrapped entirely and replaced with a single-payer system: straight socialism.

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Old 10-25-2013, 10:13 AM
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Re: Failure of Single Payer

It's great if you have equipment, but you need staff, and $$ to keep them going. In a single payer system, eventually, as in Canada, you would see things being centralized, and people having to travel farther for simple services.

The doctor I worked for in Canada left shortly after I did for the US... why? Because the government had introduced a cap on the income he could generate, and once doctors reach that "cap", it wouldn't matter what they did, no more income for the rest of the year! So, say by August, he had reached the cap of the amount he would make for the year, the rest of the year, he would be performing his services for free!

So, that is very discouraging to MD specialists, who have fled Canada by the droves to come to the US and other countries, where they could work as hard as they chose, and be paid according to their work.

What do you suppose this has done to the Canadian healthcare? It leads to this... one Cardiology specialist serving an area approximately the size of the state of Maine! A family member recently needed heart surgery. She had to travel 3-4 hours to the large city, where ONE specialist was available to see her, and treat her. It took 4 months for them to decide to do surgery on her, while she was close to death. ONE hospital in the entire province that could do this surgery!

Is THAT what you want?
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:14 AM
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Re: Failure of Single Payer

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Planning to Fail

As my friend Jack Wakeland put it to me: "Obamacare can't be fixed because it was designed to break."

"Obamacare was designed to fail; to fail slowly and incrementally; to fail in a way that would convince people that private, for-profit health insurance companies are the reason why America's catastrophically overpriced and malfunctioning health care system hasn't worked, doesn't work, and will never work. The architects of the Affordable Care Act wanted to 'prove' that third-party private insurance should be scrapped entirely and replaced with a single-payer system: straight socialism.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/new.../23/index.html
I believe this is hitting the nail on the head!
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:37 AM
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What's interesting is how many private lobbyists lobbied for the Obama plan because it forced people to purchase insurance through them. lol
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What's interesting is how many private lobbyists lobbied for the Obama plan because it forced people to purchase insurance through them. lol
Would you believe in keeping private care legal for those who preferred and could afford it? This would be someone bypassing the government system and paying for premium treatment. Would you be for that?

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Old 10-25-2013, 12:49 PM
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Would you believe in keeping private care legal for those who preferred and could afford it? This would be someone bypassing the government system and paying for premium treatment. Would you be for that?
My personal opinion is that I don't care if that can happen. I do believe private insurance should be used to supplement any universal plan in play. And that's what expanding Medicare into a universal system would allow. So why not? I'll have to examine the idea a little more.
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