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[Pliny]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Yea ok whatever Pliny...you just keep thinking that...I tell you what since your such a bible scholar lets start with Duetoronomy 22:5, tell me how you guys get women should only wear skirts/dresses out of this scripture..Better yet I bet your not even a real. Your probley less Pentecostal/Apostolic then I am and just get on here to stir the pot...lol..So I will let you start...

Matt. 7:6

This has been discussed here and you refuse to listen.

Your leaving is your business. However, I will say IMO your doing this only to justify your leaving. You refuse to listen to the man who was your pastor because you don't want the truth. You say you want a bible and a concordance but no doubt will argue against what the scripture states as in Deu. 22:5 which is very plain.

Men were told to wear bifurcated garments and even the three Hebrew men were wearing them when thrown into the furnace. So show me where a godly woman wore bifurcated garments in the Bible.

There will be no scripture forthcoming on that request...
So much for your whole bible only theory...

[Nitehawk013]

Francis Chan makes a statement in a few of his sermons that has really stuck with me. Now granted, he is off on some doctrines, but he also nails a few of them perfectly. IN this case, he asks his church what would they believe if they just opened the BIble and read it. Take our theology out of it. Take our preconceived notions out of it. Just read it. Now in the context, he then siad that the sinners prayer wasn't in scripture, but anyone could read Acts 2:38 and know just what to do to be saved.

I find it applicable to many of our standards though as well. Just read the bible. If someone read Deut 22:5 without all the conditioned responses and theology pounded into our heads what would they take away? That men shouldn't wear womens clothes. Ok. Perfect. Simple. Easy to teach. Easy to follow. Most men wouldn't wear womens clothes, be they a dress or womens jeans.

Hair? Ok read the BIble. Paul says long on women, short on men. Again....easy. Simple. But no...we have to go nuts makign it harder than it is. Oh it has to be uncut, even though the greek word used doesn't mean uncut. Paul knew greek and could have easily used the greek word for UNCUT, btu he didn't. He went with Long.

So many things the bible says in a simple manner so that all peopel across all of time could read it and get it, but oh no...we have to make it so hard that we convince people they aren't smart enough to understand so they need our experts (like Seagraves and Bernard) to tell them what verses really mean. It's not good enough to have long hair and be modest. NO..your hair must be uncut and you must wear denim skirts and your hair in a bun. UNless you do so...you are not being modest because WE know what the scriptures REALLY mean.

I'm so tired of it all. Can't people just preach Jesus, tell people to read and live the book and then just shut up?

[BalancedLife]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Matt. 7:6

This has been discussed here and you refuse to listen.

Your leaving is your business. However, I will say IMO your doing this only to justify your leaving. You refuse to listen to the man who was your pastor because you don't want the truth. You say you want a bible and a concordance but no doubt will argue against what the scripture states as in Deu. 22:5 which is very plain.

Men were told to wear bifurcated garments and even the three Hebrew men were wearing them wen thrown into the furnace. So show me where a godly woman wore bifurcated garments in the Bible.

There will be no scripture forthcoming on that request...
So much for your whole bible only theory...

Pliny - where were the Hebrews told to where bifurcated garments? Are you referring to the "breeches" the priests were required to wear to not show their private parts when walking up stairs?



God bless

[Razlin]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Francis Chan makes a statement in a few of his sermons that has really stuck with me. Now granted, he is off on some doctrines, but he also nails a few of them perfectly. IN this case, he asks his church what would they believe if they just opened the BIble and read it. Take our theology out of it. Take our preconceived notions out of it. Just read it. Now in the context, he then siad that the sinners prayer wasn't in scripture, but anyone could read Acts 2:38 and know just what to do to be saved.

I find it applicable to many of our standards though as well. Just read the bible. If someone read Deut 22:5 without all the conditioned responses and theology pounded into our heads what would they take away? That men shouldn't wear womens clothes. Ok. Perfect. Simple. Easy to teach. Easy to follow. Most men wouldn't wear womens clothes, be they a dress or womens jeans.

Hair? Ok read the BIble. Paul says long on women, short on men. Again....easy. Simple. But no...we have to go nuts makign it harder than it is. Oh it has to be uncut, even though the greek word used doesn't mean uncut. Paul knew greek and could have easily used the greek word for UNCUT, btu he didn't. He went with Long.

So many things the bible says in a simple manner so that all peopel across all of time could read it and get it, but oh no...we have to make it so hard that we convince people they aren't smart enough to understand so they need our experts (like Seagraves and Bernard) to tell them what verses really mean. It's not good enough to have long hair and be modest. NO..your hair must be uncut and you must wear denim skirts and your hair in a bun. UNless you do so...you are not being modest because WE know what the scriptures REALLY mean.

I'm so tired of it all. Can't people just preach Jesus, tell people to read and live the book and then just shut up?

hahahaha that's how i feel.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by BalancedLife

Pliny - where were the Hebrews told to where bifurcated garments? Are you referring to the "breeches" the priests were required to wear to not show their private parts when walking up stairs?


God bless

Exo 28:42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

H4370
מכנס
miknâs
BDB Definition:
1) underwear, drawers, trousers
1a) a priestly undergarment of linen


Also, the three Hebrew young men:

Dan 3:21 (ABP) Then those men were shackled with their pantaloons,G4552.1 G1473 and tiaras, and leggings, and their garments. And they were thrown into the midst of the [2furnace 3of fire 1burning],

Daniel 3:21 (LXX) Then those men were bound with their coats, and caps, and hose, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace

LXX+
Dan 3:21 τοτεG5119 ADV οιG3588 T-NPM ανδρεςG435 N-NPM εκεινοιG1565 D-NPM επεδηθησανV-API-3P συνG4862 PREP τοιςG3588 T-DPN σαραβαροιςN-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ τιαραιςN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ περικνημισιN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ ενδυμασινG1742 N-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ εβληθησανG906 V-API-3P ειςG1519 PREP μεσονG3319 A-ASM τηςG3588 T-GSF καμινουG2575 N-GSF τουG3588 T-GSN πυροςG4442 N-GSN τηςG3588 T-GSF καιομενηςG2545 V-PMPGS

H5622
סרבּל (Aramaic) (LXX – σαραβαροις)
sarbal
Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Bavli, Talmud Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature, Marcus Jastrow, 1022a – Pers. Trousers.

Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats (σαραβαρα LXX) changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

LXX+
Dan 3:27 [3:94] καιG2532 CONJ συναγονταιG4863 V-PMI-3P οιG3588 T-NPM σατραπαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM στρατηγοιG4755 N-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM τοπαρχαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM δυνασταιG1413 N-NPM τουG3588 T-GSM βασιλεωςG935 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εθεωρουνG2334 V-IAI-3P τουςG3588 T-APM ανδραςG435 N-APM οτιG3754 CONJ ουκG3364 ADV εκυριευσενG2961 V-AAI-3S τοG3588 T-NSN πυρG4442 N-NSN τουG3588 T-GSN σωματοςG4983 N-GSN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF θριξG2359 N-NSF τηςG3588 T-GSF κεφαληςG2776 N-GSF αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV εφλογισθηG5394 V-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN σαραβαραN-NPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV ηλλοιωθηV-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ οσμηG3744 N-NSF πυροςG4442 N-GSN ουκG3364 ADV ηνG1510 V-IAI-3S ενG1722 PREP αυτοιςG846 D-DPM

Ancient Greek to English Dictionary
σαραβαρα
A loose trousers worn by Scythians, Antiph.201; also = Aramaic sarbālîn, LXX, Thd.Da.3.27 (cf. 21). (Prob. Persian shalvâr or shulvâr (braccae).)
http://lsj.translatum.gr/wiki/%CF%83...B1%CF%81%CE%B1


Daniel 3:27 (WEB) The satraps, the deputies, and the governors, and the king's counselors, being gathered together, saw these men, that the fire had no power on their bodies, nor was the hair of their head singed, neither were their pants changed, nor had the smell of fire passed on them.

Apparently these men who were willing to die rather than compromise wore pants. They apparently believed pants pertained to them.

Where in scripture has a godly woman wore pants?
I do not recall any instance of it.

Take Care

[KWSS1976]

Pliny does your godly women wear robes as they did in the bible days or skirts I don't recall in Scripture anywhere women wearing skirts?

Where in scripture has a godly woman wore pants?

O and don't fire and run stay in the thread...

[BalancedLife]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Exo 28:42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

H4370
מכנס
miknâs
BDB Definition:
1) underwear, drawers, trousers
1a) a priestly undergarment of linen


Also, the three Hebrew young men:

Dan 3:21 (ABP) Then those men were shackled with their pantaloons,G4552.1 G1473 and tiaras, and leggings, and their garments. And they were thrown into the midst of the [2furnace 3of fire 1burning],

Daniel 3:21 (LXX) Then those men were bound with their coats, and caps, and hose, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace

LXX+
Dan 3:21 τοτεG5119 ADV οιG3588 T-NPM ανδρεςG435 N-NPM εκεινοιG1565 D-NPM επεδηθησανV-API-3P συνG4862 PREP τοιςG3588 T-DPN σαραβαροιςN-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ τιαραιςN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ περικνημισιN-DPF καιG2532 CONJ ενδυμασινG1742 N-DPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ εβληθησανG906 V-API-3P ειςG1519 PREP μεσονG3319 A-ASM τηςG3588 T-GSF καμινουG2575 N-GSF τουG3588 T-GSN πυροςG4442 N-GSN τηςG3588 T-GSF καιομενηςG2545 V-PMPGS

H5622
סרבּל (Aramaic) (LXX – σαραβαροις)
sarbal
Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud Bavli, Talmud Yerushalmi and Midrashic Literature, Marcus Jastrow, 1022a – Pers. Trousers.

Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats (σαραβαρα LXX) changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

LXX+
Dan 3:27 [3:94] καιG2532 CONJ συναγονταιG4863 V-PMI-3P οιG3588 T-NPM σατραπαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM στρατηγοιG4755 N-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM τοπαρχαιN-NPM καιG2532 CONJ οιG3588 T-NPM δυνασταιG1413 N-NPM τουG3588 T-GSM βασιλεωςG935 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ εθεωρουνG2334 V-IAI-3P τουςG3588 T-APM ανδραςG435 N-APM οτιG3754 CONJ ουκG3364 ADV εκυριευσενG2961 V-AAI-3S τοG3588 T-NSN πυρG4442 N-NSN τουG3588 T-GSN σωματοςG4983 N-GSN αυτωνG846 D-GPM καιG2532 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF θριξG2359 N-NSF τηςG3588 T-GSF κεφαληςG2776 N-GSF αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV εφλογισθηG5394 V-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN σαραβαραN-NPN αυτωνG846 D-GPM ουκG3364 ADV ηλλοιωθηV-API-3S καιG2532 CONJ οσμηG3744 N-NSF πυροςG4442 N-GSN ουκG3364 ADV ηνG1510 V-IAI-3S ενG1722 PREP αυτοιςG846 D-DPM

Ancient Greek to English Dictionary
σαραβαρα
A loose trousers worn by Scythians, Antiph.201; also = Aramaic sarbālîn, LXX, Thd.Da.3.27 (cf. 21). (Prob. Persian shalvâr or shulvâr (braccae).)
http://lsj.translatum.gr/wiki/%CF%83...B1%CF%81%CE%B1


Daniel 3:27 (WEB) The satraps, the deputies, and the governors, and the king's counselors, being gathered together, saw these men, that the fire had no power on their bodies, nor was the hair of their head singed, neither were their pants changed, nor had the smell of fire passed on them.

Apparently these men who were willing to die rather than compromise wore pants. They apparently believed pants pertained to them.

Where in scripture has a godly woman wore pants?
I do not recall any instance of it.

Take Care

Ok I thought you were referring to the commandment by God to the priests for your bifurcated garment argument. I do not deny the fact this was asked to be worn, but we must also understand the intent and execution of the garment.

For one, it was linen underwear that covered them so you could not see through their robes while they were in the service of the Lord. Secondly, this was a commandment for priests only and was not to be worn anywhere outside of the tabernacle (later the temple). I don't understand how you can take this scripture and say that "underwear" pertains to men?

As for the Daniel reference you gave, I do not disagree with you that most likely he wore a pant-like garment. Some interpretations say it could also mean a mantle as well. But this was not the reason they were on trial with death by fire, it was about worship to a false god. I don't see the point in this one for saying pants are men's garments? If this was the case then why didn't God inspire Moses to use this word when he was writing Deut. 22:5?


God bless

[KWSS1976]

Per your Quote Pliny if Deu is so plain which it is give me the scripture with the concordence like you did in post#15

Your leaving is your business. However, I will say IMO your doing this only to justify your leaving. You refuse to listen to the man who was your pastor because you don't want the truth. You say you want a bible and a concordance but no doubt will argue against what the scripture states as in Deu. 22:5 which is very plain.

[Nitehawk013]

This thread is sending up a bat signal for RDP to show up. We will all regret it when that happens and the civility in here falls through the floor.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Pliny does your godly women wear robes as they did in the bible days or skirts I don't recall in Scripture anywhere women wearing skirts? O and don't fire and run stay in the thread...

See... no scripture so obfuscation.
You don't want an answer you want self justification.
Have a nice day.
What you do is your business.