Ryan vs. Biden, October 11 9-10:30pm EST

[crakjak]

Joe being Joe!!! He was aggressive. But I have always had a hard time taking Joe seriously.

[KeptByTheWord]

The debate was sad. Joe Biden reminds me of a pastor I once had. Demeaning, mocking, and a know-it-all. Nothing sincere about him at all. Paul Ryan tried, but really... neither one of them have any answers about what to do about the mess this country is in.

Made me realize once again, just how thankful I am that my hope does not depend on who wins this election.... my hope is in Christ, and Christ alone. Whatever happens, is because God has allowed it, in my opinion.

And with the votes being counted in Spain, makes me wonder what all this debate fuss is about anyway...

[Pressing-On]

I felt that the "debate", by using chairs and not a podium, lent itself to a more casual setting much like a Sunday morning talk show and Raddatz as the host. I liked it better. I also thought that Democrats wouldn't be as turned off by Biden as Republicans would be.

I think that Ryan held his own. Still fact checking but thus far, they both have equal half-truths.

I loved Biden's response about Afghanistan - out by 2014 - it's their responsibility now.

And I did not like, as usual, Ryan not being specific on the loopholes - same thing Romney is doing. If they are going to use the economy for their major platform, they need to be specific. Still waiting on details for the loopholes.

RADDATZ: Well, let's talk about this 20 percent. You have refused -- and, again -- to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics? Or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?

RYAN: Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. You see, I understand the...

RADDATZ: Do you have the specifics? Do you have the...

(CROSSTALK) BIDEN: That would -- that would be a first for the Republican Congress.

RADDATZ: Do you know exactly what you're doing?

RYAN: Look -- look at what Mitt Romney -- look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that.

What we're saying is, here's our framework. Lower tax rates 20 percent. We raised about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. We forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. And so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation...

BIDEN: Can I translate?

RYAN: ... so we can lower tax rates across the board. Now, here's why I'm saying this. What we're saying is, here's the framework...

BIDEN: I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this.

RADDATZ: You'll get time.

RYAN: We want to work with Congress -- we want to work with the Congress on how best to achieve this. That means successful. Look...

RADDATZ: No specifics, again.

RYAN: Mitt -- what we're saying is, lower tax rates 20 percent, start with the wealthy, work with Congress to do it...

RADDATZ: And you guarantee this math will add up?

RYAN: Absolutely. Six studies have guaranteed -- six studies have verified that this math adds up. But here's...

BIDEN: First of all, I was there when Ronald Reagan tax breaks -- he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures.

Note: Tax Policy Center stated that Romney's tax plan was mathematically impossible to fulfill his promises simultaneously and very difficult to achieve. But, it could work if Romney sharply increased taxes on the 100,000 to 200,000, which allows a cut for the very rich. Impossible if you don't raise taxes on those making less than 200,000.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I felt that the "debate", by using chairs and not a podium, lent itself to a more casual setting much like a Sunday morning talk show and Raddatz as the host. I liked it better. I also thought that Democrats wouldn't be as turned off by Biden as Republicans would be.

I think that Ryan held his own. Still fact checking but thus far, they both have equal half-truths.

I loved Biden's response about Afghanistan - out by 2014 - it's their responsibility now.

And I did not like, as usual, Ryan not being specific on the loopholes - same thing Romney is doing. If they are going to use the economy for their major platform, they need to be specific. Still waiting on details for the loopholes.

RADDATZ: Well, let's talk about this 20 percent. You have refused -- and, again -- to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics? Or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?

RYAN: Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. You see, I understand the...

RADDATZ: Do you have the specifics? Do you have the...

(CROSSTALK) BIDEN: That would -- that would be a first for the Republican Congress.

RADDATZ: Do you know exactly what you're doing?

RYAN: Look -- look at what Mitt Romney -- look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that.

What we're saying is, here's our framework. Lower tax rates 20 percent. We raised about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. We forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. And so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation...

BIDEN: Can I translate?

RYAN: ... so we can lower tax rates across the board. Now, here's why I'm saying this. What we're saying is, here's the framework...

BIDEN: I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this.

RADDATZ: You'll get time.

RYAN: We want to work with Congress -- we want to work with the Congress on how best to achieve this. That means successful. Look...

RADDATZ: No specifics, again.

RYAN: Mitt -- what we're saying is, lower tax rates 20 percent, start with the wealthy, work with Congress to do it...

RADDATZ: And you guarantee this math will add up?

RYAN: Absolutely. Six studies have guaranteed -- six studies have verified that this math adds up. But here's...

BIDEN: First of all, I was there when Ronald Reagan tax breaks -- he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures.

Note: Tax Policy Center stated that Romney's tax plan was mathematically impossible to fulfill his promises simultaneously and very difficult to achieve. But, it could work if Romney sharply increased taxes on the 100,000 to 200,000, which allows a cut for the very rich. Impossible if you don't raise taxes on those making less than 200,000.

Both you and the Demos lack the ability to see the power of growing the economy. The principle is correct, and is absolutely the only possible way out of the mess. Taxes only cannot produce enough, we're too deep in debt, America has to go to work and increase the size of the economy.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Both you and the Demos lack the ability to see the power of growing the economy. The principle is correct, and is absolutely the only possible way out of the mess. Taxes only cannot produce enough, we're too deep in debt, America has to go to work and increase the size of the economy.

We will still need to pay taxes and they are still not specific on the loopholes they will cut. Why the non-specifics? Don't they know or do they not want us to know until after the election?

[LOVE JESUS]

Originally Posted by T.J.

All of Biden's sneering, snickering, laughing & interrupting (to me) made him seem disrespectful, condescending & not too serious about some serious matters. Wasn't real impressed with his responses concerning abortion & how his faith entered into his choices. And I think the fact-checkers should call them (Biden& Obama) on the Libya thing.

I too was aggravated at Biden's attitude. He was making fun and belittleing Ryan. I thought Ryan was very good and knowledgable and he was also very respectful and Biden wasn't.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We will still need to pay taxes and they are still not specific on the loopholes they will cut. Why the non-specifics? Don't they know or do they not want us to know until after the election?

He said he wanted to wait to make it a bi-partisan effort. Maybe he has no specifics yet

[canam]

TAXES AINT WHAT RUNS THIS COUNTRY ONLY THE DEM DUMMIES THINK IT DOES ,BIDEN WAS AUDITIONING FOR A GIG ON PARDON The Interruption on ESPN

[deacon blues]

CNN Poll: Who won the debate? Ryan 48% Biden 44%

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I felt that the "debate", by using chairs and not a podium, lent itself to a more casual setting much like a Sunday morning talk show and Raddatz as the host. I liked it better. I also thought that Democrats wouldn't be as turned off by Biden as Republicans would be.

I think that Ryan held his own. Still fact checking but thus far, they both have equal half-truths.

I loved Biden's response about Afghanistan - out by 2014 - it's their responsibility now.

And I did not like, as usual, Ryan not being specific on the loopholes - same thing Romney is doing. If they are going to use the economy for their major platform, they need to be specific. Still waiting on details for the loopholes.

RADDATZ: Well, let's talk about this 20 percent. You have refused -- and, again -- to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics? Or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?

RYAN: Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. You see, I understand the...

RADDATZ: Do you have the specifics? Do you have the...

(CROSSTALK) BIDEN: That would -- that would be a first for the Republican Congress.

RADDATZ: Do you know exactly what you're doing?

RYAN: Look -- look at what Mitt Romney -- look at what Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did. They worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that.

What we're saying is, here's our framework. Lower tax rates 20 percent. We raised about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. We forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. And so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation...

BIDEN: Can I translate?

RYAN: ... so we can lower tax rates across the board. Now, here's why I'm saying this. What we're saying is, here's the framework...

BIDEN: I hope I'm going to get time to respond to this.

RADDATZ: You'll get time.

RYAN: We want to work with Congress -- we want to work with the Congress on how best to achieve this. That means successful. Look...

RADDATZ: No specifics, again.

RYAN: Mitt -- what we're saying is, lower tax rates 20 percent, start with the wealthy, work with Congress to do it...

RADDATZ: And you guarantee this math will add up?

RYAN: Absolutely. Six studies have guaranteed -- six studies have verified that this math adds up. But here's...

BIDEN: First of all, I was there when Ronald Reagan tax breaks -- he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures.

Note: Tax Policy Center stated that Romney's tax plan was mathematically impossible to fulfill his promises simultaneously and very difficult to achieve. But, it could work if Romney sharply increased taxes on the 100,000 to 200,000, which allows a cut for the very rich. Impossible if you don't raise taxes on those making less than 200,000.

They talked a lot about the Romney/Ryan economic plan because Obama/Biden havent offered one. I'll take a president with a framework over someone who won't even submit what his plan will be.