Mystery babylon the great

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.

:crickets
So, this is just some pathetic hit-and-run?
A shame; I had more respect for you than this,
and it seems beneath you. I don't think you could
defend your remarks if your life depended on it,
which I'm pretty sure it does, let alone present
a more cohesive model of Mystery Babylon, our enemy (see Revelations).
I'm guessing you're a pastor.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, well, the silence is deafening.
If you decide to grow a pair,
and man up, I'll be around tonight.

What you posted in admitted ignorance is heinous,
and I would suggest that you don't have a clue,
but you've already admitted as much.
Revelation is not pablum, k?

[Michael The Disciple]

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.

I'm curious what you find objectionable? Like I say, I don't think I'm qualified to accuse him of unsound doctrine, or anything--but I have been pursuing exposition of Word for...35 years now, and have yet to hear any that touches this. I will admit that I found him hard to read, at first, didn't read any more for like a month.

I honestly don't think you can refute him Scripturally;
his aim seems to be to bring believers to "Spiritual Rapport,"
so, unless you have some "sound doctrine" to refute him,
I'll ask, "How do you know?"

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I skimmed the whole thing. A case of someone wanting to go deep but without proper foundations. Would not recommend anyone reading it could say he makes a few good points. Then lets get back to the sound doctrine in scripture.

Mmmkay, well let me rephrase this, MTD, in a way yur prolly not gonna like:
"This guy used a couple words I'm unfamiliar with, and can't find in Scripture, and I didn't bother to search his lexicon for the Scriptural basis for his unfamiliar terms; so here's a platitude for ya."

I recommend anyone run screaming from closed minds;
and I hope you take this personally, as I have a lot of respect for you.
But I will say that I have a little bet with myself, that, having now justified yourself, to yourself, you won't even come back in here!
Peace.

[bbyrd009]

The guy is demonstrably deeper than any
Doctor of Religiotheosophy I've ever heard;
and we're talking about my hobby here, k?

[bbyrd009]

His whole message, MTD, is
"metabolize Bible doctrine."
He says it on every page.
Do you even know what that means?

[bbyrd009]

Salvation by Grace

The major tenet of protestantism that broke the back of the Prostitute of Babylon was Salvation by grace. Even though they differed on other points of doctrine, Luther and Calvin agreed that Salvation was by faith alone in Jesus Christ. They believed in justification by faith in Christ as opposed to the prevailing doctrine of justification by faith and works, or salvation by grace and human merit. Grace means the free gift of God. And Salvation is a free gift of God. It is freely available for all who will believe in Jesus Christ.

Luther Sees the Roman Babylon

Martin Luther saw the spiritual connection between the Roman Catholic Church and Babylon. In Babylonian Captivity of the Church, which he published in 1520, he pointed out the evils of the sacramental system of the Roman Church whereby the lives of believers were enslaved from womb to tomb. He said the system represented the captivity, and Rome was the modern Babylon. Luther wrote, "I became convinced that the papacy is the kingdom of Babylon and the power of Nimrod the mighty hunter." more...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon7.html

First paragraph included just because I thought it was cool;
second paragraph details Mystery Babylon.

[bbyrd009]

The power of Babylon the Great over mankind began in the Garden of Eden with the Fall. Babylon was not only the name of the first city-state at Babel and the capital of the Chaldean Empire, it was the name of Satan's spiritual kingdom on earth. When Adam fell, Satan took over the rulership of the world and ruled from Babylon. Thus, Babylon in the spiritual realm is the name of Cosmos Diabolicus, Satan's Cosmic System. What Satan practiced openly before the Flood, he administered through hidden mysteries after it. Mystery Babylon refers to the secret rites of Babylon, which are known only to the initiates. Satan's empire of Mystery Babylon will rule the world until it is destroyed at the Second Advent by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The human rulers of Satan's kingdom of Babylon are the Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon. Nimrod was the first Evil King. And the High Priestess of Babylon and Jezebel are examples of the Prostitute of Babylon. The Evil King and Prostitute of Babylon derive their power from the Cosmic System. They are the slaves of evil, who seek to enslave others as they do the devil's bidding as cosmic evangelists. The world will not be rid of these two until the Lord Jesus Christ destroys them at the Second Advent.

The Evil King is a dictator who operates outside the Laws of Establishment. He usurps true authority, and takes away freedom through both lawlessness and tyranny. True love does not exist in his vocabulary. He is the personification of his ruler, the devil, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

The Prostitute of Babylon is the enemy of Marriage and family. She usurps the authority of her husband and seeks to rule him. Her only love is money, the coin of the realm of Babylon. She infiltrates the Church and seeks to control it through the power of Ecumenical Babylon. She appeals to lascivious lusts to get business and gain power and feigns love as a cover for insatiable lusts and greed.

The Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon are the enemies of the Christian and civilization. They are the enemies of those who seek Spiritual Rapport, which lies beyond Spiritual Maturity in the adult phase of the Spiritual Life. They deprive Christians of their Crowns. The immature Christian will never see these enemies. They will rule his life and his Church. He will fight the symptoms without ever seeing these masters of disguise. They can only be defeated by the Christian who advances to Spiritual Rapport. And Spiritual Rapport is only possible through execution of Bible Doctrine - not just academic study. Metabolization of Bible Doctrine is required for Spiritual Growth...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon8.html

Ha if you think you can out-Scripture this guy,
you better pack a lunch. I'll just hold my breath...