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11-26-2011, 06:34 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
One major difference would be that William Seymour claimed revelation from scripture while Joseph Smith claimed revelation during an isolated miraculous event involving a visit from the angel "Moroni." The former is a tangible source and the "revelations" are therefore easy to verify or disprove.
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Pentecostalism in the 21st Century goes back farther than William Seymour. Namely, Charles Fox(xe?) Parham and his little bible school in Topeka, KS is where the modern experience of speaking in tongues originated in the United States.
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11-26-2011, 07:36 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
Actually, there were many elements of Pentecostalism before Pentecostalism came about. Speaking in tongues have been known throughout history, as has dancing, shouting, rejoicing in ecstasy (the emotion not the drug), miraculous healings, miracles, and other phenomena. All of these have been seen through history, 20th century Pentecost brought all of these things together and said that they should be the rule, and not the exception.
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11-26-2011, 07:44 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
Good point Jay. These phenomenons preceded not only Pentecostalism but also Christianty.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-26-2011, 07:56 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
Tongues is the exception there, unless you are going to make an argument for Daniel. 
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11-26-2011, 08:16 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
Daniel?
No. Tongues have been occurring in pagan religions for thousands of years.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-26-2011, 11:15 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
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Originally Posted by Dante
Recently I spoke to an ex-Mormon who completely abandoned his former faith, and has embraced the Pentecostal faith (to some degree). Although he believes in the gift of the Holy Ghost and speaking in other tongues, immersion in the name of Jesus Christ, and the oneness of the Godhead, he made a startling statement that stirred my thinking.
Verbatim he said, "Pentecostalism and Mormonism are alike in the sense that both claim to be the rediscovery of lost Christianity. Both claim to have started by divine revelation from God, and both claim miracles and wonders validate their existence."
Why do you agree or disagree with the aforementioned? Keep in mind, doctrinally there are stark contrasts to both faiths, but as to their origins and the founders' intents there may be some strong similarities.
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That's a good reason why personally, I'm in neither of those categories. lol. As far as I'm concerned it is ridiculous to think that no one was really saved between the time of the apostles and the early 19th century.
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Same can be said of Protestantism, Calvanism etc etc
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11-27-2011, 08:01 AM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
Joseph Smith was baptised as a Methodist. Then things went downhill. The Utah Mormons use the KJV bible. (if you want a free KJV bible call the Mormons, Two men in suits riding bikes will deliver it with the book of Mormon. Free.) Joseph Smith re wrote the bible. It is his "Inspired version" and sold by the Missouri Mormons. In Genesis is speaks of Jesus in Chapter 1. He was lazy and as the bible is expanded, changed a feew doctrines, inserted works salvation and said the prigonal was in great error.
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11-27-2011, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church personally I feel the Christian faith or The Christian church has always been in existence every since it's inception.
While it's true certain truths has been rediscovered by people down through history.
There always been the church,it would seem to me that if the church ceased to exist then the gates of hell prevailed against the church.
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The church has always existed, though their theology may have been incorrect on some points, as we are even today.
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11-27-2011, 02:01 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
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Originally Posted by Aquila
The church has always existed, though their theology may have been incorrect on some points, as we are even today.
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Bingo! I am very wary of those who would show a "progression" of the truth with their current position labeled "full truth".
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Last edited by Hoovie; 11-27-2011 at 02:04 PM.
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11-27-2011, 02:28 PM
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Re: The Mormon and Pentecostal Connection
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
One major difference would be that William Seymour claimed revelation from scripture while Joseph Smith claimed revelation during an isolated miraculous event involving a visit from the angel "Moroni." The former is a tangible source and the "revelations" are therefore easy to verify or disprove.
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Good point, Miss B, but I'm not so sure the "scriptural" revelations brought to light by our Pentecostal forefathers are so easy to prove or disprove. The scriptures are merely interpreted differently, and in some cases blatantly MISinterpreted, but the doctrines are still built upon those erroneous thought processes.
If one challenges those "revelations" that person can be disfellowshipped, blackballed, or discredited, and that's what bothers me.
Granted, the Pentecostal doctrine is not built on instructions from an angel that cannot be verified, but sometimes I think we're almost as bad.
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