Don't have much in the way established thoughts... Just that someone who viewed Porn is simply not the same as committing adultery - at least not in the way of justification for divorce.
Are you sure? Jesus said unfaithfulness justifies divorce, and he said someone who has lusted in his heart has committed adultery (in his heart). Is "heart adultery" a sin? Is "real" adultery a worse sin?
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I wasn't aware that all of them become "so cruel and mean spirited and arrogant and pompous".
I am sure some do thinking the best defense is a good offense but I know others who either are sincerely meek or fake it as they think it is the best chance of them keeping their ministry intact.
My pet peeve is that virtually none of these guys confess on their own. They only become repentant when they are found out and they risk losing the only thing most of them know how to do for a living, their ministry.
My second pet peeve is that most of them either don't step down at all or step down for a very short period of time for "restoration". Do I believe in restoration? Absolutely but it should be at first for their souls salvation and not to keep them in a pulpit. It should be a very long time, if ever, before they resume ministry in my opinion. I think I would tend to believe and trust one who came forward on their own and confessed their sin but I probably will never know because I don't know of any who have done that.
The reason they don't confess is they will lose everything. Because there is not restoration, you won't come clean.
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My personal mission is to BRING people into a right relationship with God, GROW them up to maturity and SEND them back into the world to minister.
Timmy, Jesus was making the point that God sees and knows all things.
For example we would judge all porn viewing as "sinful" but God actually knows not only if someone views porn but also whether they committed adultery in their heart. We don't have that ability.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Don't have much in the way established thoughts... Just that someone who viewed Porn is simply not the same as committing adultery - at least not in the way of justification for divorce.
What about engaging in sexual acts with another person via the Internet? Cyber sex, the exchange of illicit photos and so forth?
I wasn't aware that all of them become "so cruel and mean spirited and arrogant and pompous".
I am sure some do thinking the best defense is a good offense but I know others who either are sincerely meek or fake it as they think it is the best chance of them keeping their ministry intact.
My pet peeve is that virtually none of these guys confess on their own. They only become repentant when they are found out and they risk losing the only thing most of them know how to do for a living, their ministry.
My second pet peeve is that most of them either don't step down at all or step down for a very short period of time for "restoration". Do I believe in restoration? Absolutely but it should be at first for their souls salvation and not to keep them in a pulpit. It should be a very long time, if ever, before they resume ministry in my opinion. I think I would tend to believe and trust one who came forward on their own and confessed their sin but I probably will never know because I don't know of any who have done that.
Are you sure? Jesus said unfaithfulness justifies divorce, and he said someone who has lusted in his heart has committed adultery (in his heart). Is "heart adultery" a sin? Is "real" adultery a worse sin?
This topic reminds me of an unfortunate incident that happened to an Ultracon female friend of mine. My friend is a very, very sweet and an awesome Christian woman, a good wife and Mother. She lives holiness standards gladly, dressing modesty, ect. Her loser OP husband was fired from his job for looking at porn at work.
I can't imagine how she must have felt, knowing that she is living a standard, and that is not enough for him, he has to look at porn on the internet. If she wasn't such an awesome Christian woman, she could say the heck with the standards, how about if I go out and buy something sexy to wear and lets go out to eat and let you feel the pay backs while other men look at me.
But of course she is a sweet Christian woman and those thoughts would never cross her mind.
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. ~Tolkien
Refusing to sit under the false gospel and false doctrine of false teachers is not "forsaking the Assembly"
What about engaging in sexual acts with another person via the Internet? Cyber sex, the exchange of illicit photos and so forth?
Those are all gross sin - as is lying, deception, pride, hatred and malice.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
The reason they don't confess is they will lose everything. Because there is not restoration, you won't come clean.
Now you know good and well that in the UPC there has been "restoration" for several decades. You just have had to have the right last name and the right father! (without even trying hard 3 names come to my mind right off the bat of top Pentecostal ministers of the 20th century who I admired greatly but had sons so fell into sexual sin and were "restored")
I would argue there is restoration but these guys don't confess because they don't want to lose stature in their religious culture nor their income.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
(without even trying hard 3 names come to my mind right off the bat of top Pentecostal ministers of the 20th century who I admired greatly but had sons so fell into sexual sin and were "restored")
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