Different God? - Page 2

crakjak · #11 05-12-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I think that apart from the godhead issue it's possible to worship and believe in and pray to "another" God.

I believe that there are many people who are worshiping a God that has been defined and formed by incorrect theology and incorrect understanding of who He is in His attributes as laid out in Scripture. In some ways they have formed and fashioned a false god like the children of Israel did when Moses was away having a one on One appointment with the Almighty.

If you don't understand who He is then you're going to live and pray amiss -- both. A proper understanding doesn't guarantee against either of those either if you don't live in obedience and submission, but when your understanding of who He is is based on your own thinking and understanding, doctrinal error, unbalanced emphasis, and view that's been influenced and shaped by culture and the "world" and in which we live it's more likely and more problematic.

There is a big difference in shaping a golden calf and worshipping an inate object, and worshipping the God of the Holy Scriptures, yet not having a pure understanding of all He is. I am surpised at your analogy?

crakjak · #12 05-12-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

But that's really not my question? It's not one of 'significance'. It's one of 'essence'. Does the trinitarian worship a different God than the oneness? Does the conception change the Diety?

No, I do not think it does, if ones basis of faith is the Holy Scriptures, I believe the object of that faith is the same God. Seems one can made one's own "understanding" an idol.

ReformedDave · #13 05-12-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

No, I do not think it does, if ones basis of faith is the Holy Scriptures, I believe the object of that faith is the same God.

Good point.....

Felicity · #14 05-12-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

There is a big difference in shaping a golden calf and worshipping an inate object, and worshipping the God of the Holy Scriptures, yet not having a pure understanding of all He is. I am surpised at your analogy?

Perhaps it isn't a fitting one? So you see no value or truth at all in my thinking then?

Felicity · #15 05-12-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

No, I do not think it does, if ones basis of faith is the Holy Scriptures, I believe the object of that faith is the same God. Seems one can made one's own "understanding" an idol.

I agree but if our understanding of what Scripture is saying is faulty in regard to doctrine and who God is in His essence and in His attributes then could there not be a problem?

berkeley · #16 05-12-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

I can answer that...

..ya'll aren't playing by the rules... someone was 'posed to prompt me to answer.

crakjak · #17 05-12-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Perhaps it isn't a fitting one? So you see no value or truth at all in my thinking then?

Being a student of your posts I was simply surprise at that one comparison. I know many trinitarians that love the scriptures, study them faithfully, pray and seek after God as sincerely as any OP I have ever known. These folks are not idol worshipers, they worship the God of the Holy Scriptures, therefore my surprise.

Felicity · #18 05-12-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Being a student of your posts I was simply surprise at that one comparison. I know many trinitarians that love the scriptures, study them faithfully, pray and seek after God as sincerely as any OP I have ever known. These folks are not idol worshipers, they worship the God of the Holy Scriptures, therefore my surprise.

But my points were made really without the godhead issue in mind. I thot I made that plain. Oops, I guess not.

Felicity · #19 05-12-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Being a student of your posts I was simply surprise at that one comparison. I know many trinitarians that love the scriptures, study them faithfully, pray and seek after God as sincerely as any OP I have ever known. These folks are not idol worshipers, they worship the God of the Holy Scriptures, therefore my surprise.

But I press again..... other than that illustration you take issue with .... did you not agree with the rest of what I said. I'm truly interested to know and if not, why not.

mizpeh · #20 05-12-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

But that's really not my question? It's not one of 'significance'. It's one of 'essence'. Does the trinitarian worship a different God than the oneness? Does the conception change the Diety?

Yes, Trinitarians worship a different God than Oneness do. Below I asked a Trinitarian to interpret the word, God.

How do you interpret the word, God, in these 8 examples?

1. Jesus is God. Ontologically.
2. God is a Trinity. Relationally.
3. The God of our Fathers. God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
4. And the Word was God. Ontologically.
5. God the Father One of the persons within God
6. Being in the form of God. Ontologically.
7. In the beginning, God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
8. 2Cor5: 18-19 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation ....I'd say the Father.

As you can see, he attributes multiple meanings to the word, God, depending on the context. I'm not sure why in #8 he chose to say "Father" because I think this verse would cause a problem for Trinitarians as it is vague.

Because Trinitarians recognize God as a Trinity and each as a Person, some of them pray to three who they call God separately.

Others say they pray to the Father (as instructed by Jesus) in the name of the Son through the Spirit. If they truly believe this then no prayer is ever truly to God (the Trinity) but is only to the Father. So when they talk to God, they are only talking to the Father.

This is very different from a Oneness prayer to God. We recognize God as God. I don't have to try to figure out who God is everytime I see the word, God, in the Bible. As you can see our, Oneness and Trinitarians, prayers to God (the source of our relationship with Him) is different because of the way we view who He is.