Role of Church Body in our Personal Struggles...

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

Thanks...I think.

I'm not sure what I said that would be construed as uplifting.

If they really wanted a straight answer, then you helped them out! If they jsut wanted to cry then they would have been offended, or grasping at other straws to stay in a pityparty. IMO

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, you are being selfish and unreasonable to think you have the right to demand that the Church help "fix" you. HOWEVER, the scripture does command each of us to bear one another's burdens. Now, what exactly that means I'm not sure.

Bro. Chan,

We ARE told in Galatians 6:2, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and

so fulfil the law of Christ". Two verses later we told, " For every man

shall bear his own burden".

It might be thought to be contradictory. So it has to be rightly

divided. I believe vs. 2 is telling us to care and prayfully give

support to one another in times of difficulty whether it be

sickness or other difficult times. Especially prayer support and

encouragement!

Vs. 5, perhaps would be speaking more of a man's burden as to be his

responsibility, as to his family. His wife and children. That's his own

"burden", to see they are cared for. They have been entrusted to him.

What a man/woman births is their "baby"! Their burden or responsibility!

Many time it seems there are those that feel it is the church's or even

maybe just the pastor's duty, to come up with the answers to their own

personal problems or situations. To me fathers and mothers

need to learn how to go to God for themselves and their family.

There are elders, men and women that are useful in the church. Read

I Tim. 5:1-2. There are many answers in the Word of God but you have to

read the "Instruction Book" if you want things to turn out right. If you don't

understand it, talk to the Author!!

Just some thoughts from a senior sister!

Blessings,

Falla39

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Chan,

We ARE told in Galatians 6:2, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and

so fulfil the law of Christ". Two verses later we told, " For every man

shall bear his own burden".

It might be thought to be contradictory. So it has to be rightly

divided. I believe vs. 2 is telling us to care and prayfully give

support to one another in times of difficulty whether it be

sickness or other difficult times. Especially prayer support and

encouragement!

Vs. 5, perhaps would be speaking more of a man's burden as to be his

responsibility, as to his family. His wife and children. That's his own

"burden", to see they are cared for. They have been entrusted to him.

What a man/woman births is their "baby"! Their burden or responsibility!

Many time it seems there are those that feel it is the church's or even

maybe just the pastor's duty, to come up with the answers to their own

personal problems or situations. To me fathers and mothers

need to learn how to go to God for themselves and their family.

There are elders, men and women that are useful in the church. Read

I Tim. 5:1-2. There are many answers in the Word of God but you have to

read the "Instruction Book" if you want things to turn out right. If you don't

understand it, talk to the Author!!

Just some thoughts from a senior sister!

Blessings,

Falla39

I did say, "HOWEVER, the scripture does command each of us to bear one another's burdens." Your response makes it seem as if I wasn't aware of that passage. I will presume that the condescending tone at the end of your post was unintentional.

HOWEVER, your interpretation of the passages from Galatians 6 is a reasonable interpretation but I wonder if there might be a connection between the command to bear one another's burdens and the command in Romans to rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Chan

I did say, "HOWEVER, the scripture does command each of us to bear one another's burdens." Your response makes it seem as if I wasn't aware of that passage. I will presume that the condescending tone at the end of your post was unintentional.

HOWEVER, your interpretation of the passages from Galatians 6 is a reasonable interpretation but I wonder if there might be a connection between the command to bear one another's burdens and the command in Romans to rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep.

Bro. Chan,

Perhaps I should have stated at the very start of my post that I wasn't

necessarily addressing you personally. Was really only responding to

the verse you quoted. Just wanted to dialogue a little.

If you presumed anything in my post to have a condescending tone,

it was the way you received it because it certainly was not my intention

at all!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Trouvere]

Amen Brother Chan,
Sister Falla was commending you on your post.



BTW to the sister who first posted.Don't be disapointed in them.I live in a city.People don't take the time for concern that the country churches do here.
Its a faster pace and mindset.I have lived in other cities as well and its much
the same.Folks are worn out and have their own battles to contend with and
the spirits that war the church are wearing them thin.Pray for them.

[whollyHis]

[QUOTE=Trouvere;8455]Amen Brother Chan,
Sister Falla was commending you on your post.



BTW to the sister who first posted.Don't be disapointed in them.I live in a city.People don't take the time for concern that the country churches do here.
Its a faster pace and mindset.I have lived in other cities as well and its much
the same.Folks are worn out and have their own battles to contend with and
the spirits that war the church are wearing them thin.Pray for them.[/QUOTE]


Thanks so much...you speak truth, and it would behoove me to reach OUT, instead of grasping for a 'hand up' all of the time...

I have learned much about myself through this thread...guess I already knew it- just needed someone to slap me upside my head with the truth...

I am a selfish, ungrateful, and sorry excuse for a saint who desperately needs to pray through some mess and junk in my life.

Thanks to all who posted here...it is appreciated.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Chan,

We ARE told in Galatians 6:2, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and

so fulfil the law of Christ". Two verses later we told, " For every man

shall bear his own burden".

It might be thought to be contradictory. So it has to be rightly

divided. I believe vs. 2 is telling us to care and prayfully give

support to one another in times of difficulty whether it be

sickness or other difficult times. Especially prayer support and

encouragement!

Vs. 5, perhaps would be speaking more of a man's burden as to be his

responsibility, as to his family. His wife and children. That's his own

"burden", to see they are cared for. They have been entrusted to him.

What a man/woman births is their "baby"! Their burden or responsibility!

Many time it seems there are those that feel it is the church's or even

maybe just the pastor's duty, to come up with the answers to their own

personal problems or situations. To me fathers and mothers

need to learn how to go to God for themselves and their family.

There are elders, men and women that are useful in the church. Read

I Tim. 5:1-2. There are many answers in the Word of God but you have to

read the "Instruction Book" if you want things to turn out right. If you don't

understand it, talk to the Author!!

Just some thoughts from a senior sister!

Blessings,

Falla39

Sis. Falla,

The burden in verse 2 speaks of a heavy load which it takes many to carry.

The burden in verse 5 refers to a burden the size of a soldiers pack which is meant for an individual to bear.


The entire passage speaks of maturity, personal responsibility and realizing our corporate responsibility to the body. True maturity not only bears it's own burden but also knows when to let others bear their own burden. Many folks in the church get a bum rap for not helping someone in need when, in fact, a greater good is done by allowing folks to work through some things on their own.

Many times I have asked folks to back away from other people in the altar in order to force that person to find their own way in prayer. In order for real healing to come a person has to be sure they want to be healed. Unfortunately, some folks want pity but not healing. If they really desire healing they have to be willing to give up their crutch and to cancel the pity party.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by rrford

Sis. Falla,

The burden in verse 2 speaks of a heavy load which it takes many to carry.

The burden in verse 5 refers to a burden the size of a soldiers pack which is meant for an individual to bear.


The entire passage speaks of maturity, personal responsibility and realizing our corporate responsibility to the body. True maturity not only bears it's own burden but also knows when to let others bear their own burden. Many folks in the church get a bum rap for not helping someone in need when, in fact, a greater good is done by allowing folks to work through some things on their own.

Many times I have asked folks to back away from other people in the altar in order to force that person to find their own way in prayer. In order for real healing to come a person has to be sure they want to be healed. Unfortunately, some folks want pity but not healing. If they really desire healing they have to be willing to give up their crutch and to cancel the pity party.

Good stuff RR!

[Pragmatist]

I don't want the church body involved in my personal struggles. My husband and I are private people and would prefer to keep our issues private. I appreciate prayers from the pastor and saints, and encouragement is always welcome, but I don't want them to know my issues, let alone be involved in them.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I don't want the church body involved in my personal struggles. My husband and I are private people and would prefer to keep our issues private. I appreciate prayers from the pastor and saints, and encouragement is always welcome, but I don't want them to know my issues, let alone be involved in them.

That is exactly how we feel also....... We've kept our struggles to ourselves and God has ALWAYS provided our needs...whether finacially, emotionally or whatever...but that is jmo