Martial Arts - Page 2

Adam · #11 03-10-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

oh please. enough with the sacreligous babble.

Martial Arts can be a healthy way to instill dicipline. As the Mrs has pointed out there are some forms that are completly defensive in nature.

Defensive as in striking back? So, no turning the other cheek to your opponent then?

The Mrs · #12 03-10-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Defensive as in striking back? So, no turning the other cheek to your opponent then?

Most of TKD's moves are meant to ward off an offending blow and neutralize your attacker.

My daughter will earn her 2nd Degree Black Belt in TKD in the next couple months. I've never regretted her learning this. I want her to be equipped and ready to protect herself from evil if it ever confronts her in a dark parking lot, or while walking to her classes.

scotty · #13 03-10-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

Defensive as in striking back? So, no turning the other cheek to your opponent then?

No, read below.

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Originally Posted by The Mrs

Most of TKD's moves are meant to ward off an offending blow and neutralize your attacker.

My daughter will earn her 2nd Degree Black Belt in TKD in the next couple months. I've never regretted her learning this. I want her to be equipped and ready to protect herself from evil if it ever confronts her in a dark parking lot, or while walking to her classes.

Many arts teach defensive moves that render an attacker useless without pounding on them. I don't believe anyone is advocating violence here, but I do believe God gave us common sense, if my daughters were attacked I would hope they could and would beat the living ( ) out of someone. I'll make sure you recieve their repentance afterward.

The Mrs · #14 03-10-2011, 10:44 AM

In this day and age, I wish all parents would put their daughters thru TKD.

The Lemon · #15 03-10-2011, 10:45 AM

In class last night, after sparring with a black belt, we were talking. She made the comment that a black belt is not a magical cure for conflict or that if conflict occurs that you won't get hit etc. I myself am in Isshinryu Karate and have a great teacher. One of the first things you learn is that your greatest weapon is your brain, and you avoid physical conflict. In fact, after nearly 30-years my Sensei has never had to use his skills.

I'm sorry but to make some over religious issue out of it shows how little someone actually knows about Karate and martial arts in general. If you think it's all about violence you are living in a bubble and have no idea what your talking about. Should I be forced to defend myself, I have the skills to neutralize the situation.

It would be like the US military defending our country with a fistful of flowers. There is a time for peace and a time for war. Living in mambe pambe land with theorized idiology is not the real world.

Anyway, martial arts is suppose to be about peace. As far as being allowed...that was not my question, and I'm a grown man, I will not have anybody tell me in an instance like this weather I'm allowed to do it...period. The female aspect is a moot point for me because I don't subscribe or by into the women not wearing pants in the first place.

I just wanted to see what some of my Aposolic kinsmen felt about it as over the years I have heard both positive and negative, I mean literally one side of the pendulum all the way to the other.

The Mrs · #16 03-10-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lemon

In class last night, after sparring with a black belt, we were talking. She made the comment that a black belt is not a magical cure for conflict or that if conflict occurs that you won't get hit etc. I myself am in Isshinryu Karate and have a great teacher. One of the first things you learn is that your greatest weapon is your brain, and you avoid physical conflict. In fact, after nearly 30-years my Sensei has never had to use his skills.

I'm sorry but to make some over religious issue out of it shows how little someone actually knows about Karate and martial arts in general. If you think it's all about violence you are living in a bubble and have no idea what your talking about. Should I be forced to defend myself, I have the skills to neutralize the situation.

It would be like the US military defending our country with a fistful of flowers. There is a time for peace and a time for war. Living in mambe pambe land with theorized idiology is not the real world.

Anyway, martial arts is suppose to be about peace. As far as being allowed...that was not my question, and I'm a grown man, I will not have anybody tell me in an instance like this weather I'm allowed to do it...period. The female aspect is a moot point for me because I don't subscribe or by into the women not wearing pants in the first place.

I just wanted to see what some of my Aposolic kinsmen felt about it as over the years I have heard both positive and negative, I mean literally one side of the pendulum all the way to the other.

Well, if THAT'S what you were looking for, then I can tell you what was expected of me in the church I was raised in.

It would have been taboo because of the 'spiritual' aspects that come with most martial arts teachings. The fear of Eastern religion being taught was what kept us at bay. Of course, nobody had any actual 'first-hand' knowledge of what's actually taught. It was assumed. I learned that the school my kids went to was owned and taught by a Christian man, and there was no spiritual aspect, but there was a whole lot of: Courtesy, Attitude, Goals, Respect, Honor, Perseverance, Loyalty, Self-Control, Integrity.

My kids blossomed under this guidance. But then again, their teacher is one in a million and has been an incredible influence in their lives.

mfblume · #17 03-10-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I know some UPC churches have their own clubs.

I think its a great thing as long as they keep it Christian on the meditation etc.

THAT is the issue... whether or not meditation is involved. I know a young man whose instructor told them to pray to Bruce Lee to empower them. He came into church and got saved after that, and said what he felt when he prayed to Bruce Lee to strengthen him was eerily similar to what he felt when he experienced the presence of God in worship and prayer.

The Lemon · #18 03-10-2011, 12:30 PM

My teacher is also a Christian, and no we don't meditate or pray to anyone. Praying to Bruce Lee?? Really?? That is just out there! While we don't subscribe to the Eastern Religion / Meditation part, I wonder if folks even blow that aspect up a little much.

Most folks I have encountered that oppose the martial arts think they know what they are talking about but in reality know very little if anything, and what they do know is nothing more then fabricated opinion mixed with hollywood portrayals of what they think it stands for.

Trust me I know there are alot of people that claim to be black belts and teachers who aren't worth the paper their promotion is printed on. There is confusion, and conflict within many forms of martial arts, it really depends onthe teacher and who taught them. Sort of the same in church huh?

The Mrs · #19 03-10-2011, 01:42 PM

Meditation and/or prayer has never been a part of my kids' school.

According to my daughter, the closest they get to anything 'spiritual' is honoring the flags. They focus on character development mostly, and it's not drawing from some strange spirits out there.

mfblume · #20 03-10-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lemon

My teacher is also a Christian, and no we don't meditate or pray to anyone. Praying to Bruce Lee?? Really?? That is just out there! While we don't subscribe to the Eastern Religion / Meditation part, I wonder if folks even blow that aspect up a little much.

It really happened. That was not blown out of proportion. Made me gasp, too.