The Truth about the Afterlife

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

NFS - do you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God?

No he does not believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, which makes it all the more curious since by rejecting the Bible's authority N4S doesn't have an authority to stand on other than his own opinions formed by those who themselves rejected the Bible as God's Word.

Furthermore the point about the Jews not believing in the afterlife is not big shocker, the Saduccess didn't believe in the ressurection, angels, or spirits. That's not breaking news. That wasn't even breaking news 2000 years ago. Jesus rebuked them for this telling them "You do ERR, NOT KNOWING the scripture" despite the fact that they MEMORIZED the entire scripture AND often in Jesus time the High Priest was a Saducee. So how does the fact that "Jews" didn't believe in the afterlife as "Christians" do even factor in? It is non-sequitur argument.

And to do so is to reject many statements in the Old Testament, even as far back as the book of Job (widely considered the oldest book in the Old Testament).

Thus, because N4S has rejected the Bible as the Word of God, and has not offered an alternative authoritative source, WE each become the authority, and our opinions reign supreme. Folly if there ever was.

[shag]

Jews not believing in the afterlife?




Paul:

Acts 22;3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors.


Acts 24:15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked


Acts 24:21 ...unless it was this one thing I shouted as I stood in their presence: 'It is concerning the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial before you today.'"


Acts 26:6 6 And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today.



not to mention the promise of "afterlife" to Daniel in Dan. 12:13, (OT)
and to Martha had been taught in Jn 11:34 (taught to her during OT),
and to David in Ps. 16:10 (OT & acts 2),
the Pharisees,
on and on...

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by shag

Jews not believing in the afterlife?

I didn't say the Jews don't believe in the Afterlife.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

No he does not believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, which makes it all the more curious since by rejecting the Bible's authority N4S doesn't have an authority to stand on other than his own opinions formed by those who themselves rejected the Bible as God's Word.

Furthermore the point about the Jews not believing in the afterlife is not big shocker, the Saduccess didn't believe in the ressurection, angels, or spirits. That's not breaking news. That wasn't even breaking news 2000 years ago. Jesus rebuked them for this telling them "You do ERR, NOT KNOWING the scripture" despite the fact that they MEMORIZED the entire scripture AND often in Jesus time the High Priest was a Saducee. So how does the fact that "Jews" didn't believe in the afterlife as "Christians" do even factor in? It is non-sequitur argument.

And to do so is to reject many statements in the Old Testament, even as far back as the book of Job (widely considered the oldest book in the Old Testament).

Thus, because N4S has rejected the Bible as the Word of God, and has not offered an alternative authoritative source, WE each become the authority, and our opinions reign supreme. Folly if there ever was.

Wow, presumptions, attacks, and total miss-information. You'd think Jason lived next door to me...

BTW, did MEN write the Bible? If they did, WE, THEM, US, are the Authorities, and my friend, YOU are voicing YOUR opinion.

We need to have lunch sometime!

[mfblume]

I would not pay much heed to what Judaism today claims as Old Testament truth. In some issues they may be right, but Christ said things about satan that Jews do not believe. They do not believe in a personal devil.

Satan is not mentioned until 1 Chr 21, and some Jews think it is a form of God or some spirit God uses aside from the devil as we are familiar with. The serpent is noted in Genesis 3 and Rev reveals it was satan. Jews would not see it that way though.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I would not pay much heed to what Judaism today claims as Old Testament truth. In some issues they may be right, but Christ said things about satan that Jews do not believe. They do not believe in a personal devil.

Satan is not mentioned until 1 Chr 21, and some Jews think it is a form of God or some spirit God uses aside from the devil as we are familiar with. The serpent is noted in Genesis 3 and Rev reveals it was satan. Jews would not see it that way though.

Very interesting. I haven't looked into this before, but I will.

Don't you feel that disunity/contradiction/revision between the Old and the New Testaments should be analyzed carefully?

I think it is puzzling how we embrace certain Jewish dogmas, such as One God, but disband others by a "New Understanding". Before long, when we arrive at a Trailhead that claims Truth, there are countless pathways to choose from.

It just seems to me, the Afterlife shouldn't have been a mystery to God's people before, or now. And, what happens to us when we die should simply be, "It is what it is".

Instead it's guess work. We just don't know, and, our views do contradict what God's People of the past believed about this finality we will all come to. This is not about the Sabbath or the Law or Temple practices, this is about Eternity. It is also bizarre to me that the Eternal Torture of souls has appeared in the Religions of Christianity, and is used to leverage the sinful to repentance and obedience. This is very damaging, allowing leaders to manipulate people with something they can’t prove.

People are weak, confused, and struggle enough with what they can see, let alone with what they can’t. Mike, it comes down to this for me; who will go to Hell and who will go to Heaven? We can see that this issue is not only a hard one; it can rip us in the opposite direction when a loved one or friend dies.

I have yet to go to a funeral where someone went to Hell. This shows, when death is in our face we realize some very important things about people, including things about ourselves and Religion.