Have we confused tongues/int. with prophecy? - Page 2

DAII · #11 01-07-2011, 01:57 PM

Note to reader: both xenolalia and xenoglossia speak of the same experience ...

http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/xenolalia
http://www.skepticssa.org.au/html/xenoglossia.html

DAII · #12 01-07-2011, 01:58 PM

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Spiers aren't you the author over at ExpertoCreed or WhyIleft?

WhyIleft.org

jmspiers · #13 01-07-2011, 02:01 PM

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WhyIleft.org

I'm the author of the Web site, but I didn't put it in my profile or mention it because I didn't want people thinking I was here to troll, stir up trouble or promote non-apostolic views. I figured it was enough that I put that I was former apostolic in my profile =)

This forum is one of the primary ways that I keep up with what's going on in the apostolic movement. I find it very helpful. Yesterday was only my second time posting though. One of the threads really captured my attention...

DAII · #14 01-07-2011, 02:04 PM

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I'm the author of the Web site, but I didn't put it in my profile or mention it because I didn't want people thinking I was here to troll, stir up trouble or promote non-apostolic views. I figured it was enough that I put that I was former apostolic in my profile =)

This forum is one of the primary ways that I keep up with what's going on in the apostolic movement. I find it very helpful. Yesterday was only my second time posting though. One of the threads really captured my attention...

I have read some of the articles over the last few years ... there ... very informative.
Tried looking you up on FB a while back to no avail ...

I usually can keep a good archive of names in my memory bank ... yours stood out when I saw the user name.

pelathais · #15 01-07-2011, 02:18 PM

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I'm the author of the Web site, but I didn't put it in my profile or mention it because I didn't want people thinking I was here to troll, stir up trouble or promote non-apostolic views.

Yeah. We don't want any of that around here.

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... I figured it was enough that I put that I was former apostolic in my profile =)

This forum is one of the primary ways that I keep up with what's going on in the apostolic movement. I find it very helpful. Yesterday was only my second time posting though. One of the threads really captured my attention...

Jump on in, Bro! The water's fine.

pelathais · #16 01-07-2011, 02:28 PM

The pastor I came up under always (and still does!) teach that the there's a difference between what he calls "charismata" (1 Corinthians 12:10) and the "glossolalia" of Acts 2:4 and Jude 1:20 (& etc.).

My first foray into a Strong's Concordance covered all of that with doubt. I have spoken with the guy many times over the years about this and in conversations with me he always backs down and can't answer any questions. Then, as soon as he can, he gets back into the pulpit and dispenses with the nonsense again.

It seems to me that he was intent upon deceiving people. When I'd ask him about this he'd demur, make excuses about his lack of "formal education" and such. Then, he'd get right back out there and dispense with the deception again. I was always struck by this. It was like some sort of clinical psychological pattern of schizophrenia.

Either that, or he had been lying to me for over a quarter of a century.

jmspiers · #17 01-07-2011, 02:29 PM

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Yeah. We don't want any of that around here.

Jump on in, Bro! The water's fine.

Lol thanks Pelathais.

In all seriousness though, I've checked this forum regularly for years, and it seems to me that for several years the debates surrounded standards more than "salvation" issues. Now it seems there are a lot more discussions surrounding the role of tongues and baptism and how a person is actually saved. Maybe it's been that way for a while and I just didn't notice. I certainly don't remember that many discussions about it when I erm, migrated, from the apostolic ranks back in '06.

pelathais · #18 01-07-2011, 02:30 PM

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I have read some of the articles over the last few years ... there ... very informative.
Tried looking you up on FB a while back to no avail ...

I usually can keep a good archive of names in my memory bank ... yours stood out when I saw the user name.

Then why can't you ever remember MY name on Facebook, Dannie?

jmspiers · #19 01-07-2011, 02:31 PM

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I have read some of the articles over the last few years ... there ... very informative.

I appreciate you phrasing that satement in a way that can have more than one meaning

. I'll just tell myself it means that they're really good

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Tried looking you up on FB a while back to no avail ...

http://www.facebook.com/joshua.spiers1980. Drop by any time!

notofworks · #20 01-08-2011, 11:53 AM

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Lol thanks Pelathais.

In all seriousness though, I've checked this forum regularly for years, and it seems to me that for several years the debates surrounded standards more than "salvation" issues. Now it seems there are a lot more discussions surrounding the role of tongues and baptism and how a person is actually saved. Maybe it's been that way for a while and I just didn't notice. I certainly don't remember that many discussions about it when I erm, migrated, from the apostolic ranks back in '06.

I don't go back that far, but in my time here, the standards discussion is primarily dead. But if one touches the sacred cow of tongues, especially if it gets connected to salvation, watch out. I'd still say that tongues are worshiped more than God and have become like an idol.