Rob McKee does not believe Affirmation Statement

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm ashamed of you Daniel. Your despicable witch hunting is sickening.

Projection and displacement rear their ugly heads. He has to put people down to put himself up.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Classic Dan...it's what he does

It is a superiority complex?

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by DAII

KOB, thing is - he, like many, has signed it
But like many, he doesn't abide by it whike like many, he uses it as a political to bop his own teammates over the head.

Integrity matters. No sarcasm.

You have a point there DA... 'course, I've been away from the situation for so long that I'm not sure the entire story. I do remember Rob McKee, though.

I'm just trying to figure out the need for the AS at all. I don't care if one signs it or not, nor do I care if one follows it or not. More often than not, people abide by such things because they feel that they have no choice. Especially when they begin to believe that the governance who force the acquiescence are the actual mouthpieces of God and hold the world in their hands (as opposed to Jesus as mediator, they have taken his place).

It's a scary time -- to leave everything you've known, and preached, for decades. It's also quite revealing when one leaves and realizes that the thing that you were afraid to abstain from is so... miniscule when placing it against the greatness of God. Such a narrow-minded bunch we humans are - even those of us who proclaim open mindedness...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Classic Dan...it's what he does

Classic Robert, bearing false witness, again and again.

Robert, I believe our word is still bond. I believe if a man in ministry asks folks to do as I say but not as I do while divisively attacking those I disagree with ... he betrays a fundamental trust that often has eternal consequences ... especially within the weaker among us.

Your campaign to discredit me personally for speaking out against a heinous doctrine and not a man .... on Facebook and AMF really is the telling tale of a conflicted personality.

Rob a few weeks ago on Facebook:

"No...sorry for the misunderstanding. I deleted it. I love Bro Stoneking...and believe the message strongly. The video was posted by a guy fearlessly mocking him... (A former apostolic who believes very little). Thus the title "holy hair". I don't want to promote his nonsense and fearless slander against a man of God that I highly respect."

Robert on an Apostolic minister's forum" earlier last year (notice he's flip-flopped on HMH doctrine):
Rob Mckee (February, 2010):

First...I'm against magic hair...big whoop...is anybody for it other than Rapunzel and Cruella Da Ville??? I doubt it.

I agree with Darren... This shotgun of doctrinal correction is aimed at someone that does not believe or preach it. The primary Paul Revere shouting against this doctrine (and putting up websites) is a reprobate charismatic based here in North Houston who does not agree with our doctrine of uncut hair on women (or much else for that matter). God will judge him for what he has tried to do.

Yknow...I haven't met anyone that is for this doctrine...including the man that is target of the forums. I know you are "agin' it"...that's great J Edgar...now just call the man you say "believes it" and ask him if he really does. Before you say..."but I heard him preach"...ask yourself, "Has anyone ever misunderstood something I've preached?" or "Have I ever been quoted out of context?" Let's take care that we are not doing the devil's work for him. If you are picketing against an individual you might want to look behind you...Hitler may be holding the megaphone.

1. I believe quite a bit ... and namely in Jesus Christ. Yet you continue to state I either believe nothing or very little while labeling me as "reprobate Charismatic"... bearing false witness against your brother.

2. After showing your stamp of approval for HMH doctrine and trampling over the graves of 6 million Jews by likening me to Adolf Hitler ... you continued your textbook passive-aggressive ploy to portray me as "bitter" and "having been hurt by someone in the UPCI" as the reasons to my being vocal ... even after this exchange a month ago ...

Where you accused Maximillian of being bitter because he no longer attends a UPCI church ALTHOUGH HE STILL DOES ... and where we spoke about your false accusation regarding what you had heard through the grapevine regarding me ... and you seemingly accepting your faux pas yet continuing it still in your last few posts this week

See pages 16-23 http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...cebook&page=18

Originally Posted by DAII

BTW, Robert I was not hurt by anyone in the org as you falsely stated to perpetuate this myth you've fabricated in your mind - He was hurt and is just bitter.

I owe quite a bit to OP circles and believe Truth to be more important than supporting men who teach against it.

I was asked to stay by every one in my circle to stay when I chose to leave.

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Opps...my bad...

but enough with that...


HOW LONG WILL DISINGENUOUSLY CHOOSE TO CONTINUE SIGNING A DOCUMENT WHERE YOU PLEDGE TO PREACH AND TEACH SOMETHING YOU DON'T BELIEVE?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by DAII

KOB, thing is - he, like many, has signed it
But like many, he doesn't abide by it ... while like many, he uses it as a political football to bop his own teammates over the head.

Integrity matters. No sarcasm.

Dan, the part in bold is the part you have not proven. If he has been hypocritical then you have to prove it. Many sign the AS and don't agree with all of it and they make that known when they sign it. They are not being hypocritical in signing when they make their disagreements with it known to their districts.

You have to show how Rob has used AS as a "political football to bop his own teammates over the head".

[DAII]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, the part in bold is the part you have not proven. If he has been hypocritical then you have to prove it. Many sign the AS and don't agree with all of it and they make that known when they sign it. They are not being hypocritical in signing when they make their disagreements with it known to their districts.

You have to show how Rob has used AS as a "political football to bop his own teammates over the head".

Let me help you out Mizpeh with your own words ... You have categorized those who have signed the WeDeclare thang as "shunners" ...

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not defending the "shunners". I'm defending the "nonshunning element" within the UPC. (Not everyone signed onto WeDeclare.) And I'm also advocating for those who are shunned to overcome the evil shown to them by the shunners by returning love in place of the shun.

I only went on EA a couple of times, didn't like it, and now I keep getting emails from them. If only they would shun me!!!!

Rob has signed this as well ... picking elements within the AS to support and creating new ones ... while shunning his own peers.

[DAII]

BTW, Mizpeh ... individual districts do not trump the AS.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Let me help you out Mizpeh with your own words ... You have categorized those who have signed the WeDeclare thang as "shunners" ...



Rob has signed this as well ... picking elements within the AS while shunning his own peers.

Dan and the hate fest posts. If he is doing wrong, did you approach him with 2 elders privately?

Dan is obsessed with publically smearing folks.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by DAII

Let me help you out Mizpeh with your own words ... You have categorized those who have signed the WeDeclare thang as "shunners" ...



Rob has signed this as well ... picking elements within the AS while shunning his own peers.

But how is signing the WeDeclare statement the same as a " political football to bop his own teammates over the head"? Has Rob used the WeDeclare thing to harm someone who has not signed it? I do think the statement is divisive but that is not the same as using it to bop someone over the head.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

But how is signing the WeDeclare statement the same as a " political football to bop his own teammates over the head"? Has Rob used the WeDeclare thing to harm someone who has not signed it? I do think the statement is divisive but that is not the same as using it to bop someone over the head.

Want to get into a semantical debate ... like "persons" and the Godhead ... SO let's go with your word ... SHUNNING. HIS PEERS