Do Moderate Muslims need to do more...

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are right, Twisp. Spewing about the backer and not identifying him. I wonder who is going to do a segment on that - O'Reilly, Beck, Huckabee, Megan, Shepherd? LOL!

This is a funny clip on how Stewart brings the issue to attention. Of course, Huffington has to point out the hypocrisy. LOL!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_692234.html

Yeah, I was watching The Daily Show when they ran the clip. It was hard to believe that Fox thought they could sneak it through.

Did you see the one the night before where they were listing out "possible" ties between Imam Rauf and terrorists by using an index card and highlighters? That was an extremely funny bit.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yeah, I was watching The Daily Show when they ran the clip. It was hard to believe that Fox thought they could sneak it through.

Did you see the one the night before where they were listing out "possible" ties between Imam Rauf and terrorists by using an index card and highlighters? That was an extremely funny bit.

I was surprised at Fox's actions myself.

But what is this card thing about? Did Karl Rove start that? LOL!

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I was surprised at Fox's actions myself.

But what is this card thing about? Did Karl Rove start that? LOL!

It starts around the 3:27 mark.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...meland-edition

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

It starts around the 3:27 mark.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...meland-edition

He's saying around 3:38 that the Pentagon has a mosque in it. That is not true. It's a non-denominational place to pray.

Yes, I saw that "index card" clip in the previous video. It's basically a visual sales tactic. Jon is hilarious using these type things in his show - "I'm just reading off the highlighted card." LOL!

I admit that I do like to listen, sometimes, to clips by Jon Stewart, but he tends to have a "potty" which I don't like.

But, really, all of this is pitting the right against the left and we are not looking at the seriousness of this issue. There are inroads being made into our country and it's shortsighted to overlook that. Islam does not promote nor does it teach separation of church and state - all answer to Allah. It doesn't matter if they claim to be moderate or not, it's just a fact. That should be enough for us, but apparently, we are not paying attention.

I would also reference what Aquila said, which is true:

However, if you review the nations where Islam is the indigenous religion, culture, and practice (and has been for well over a thousand years) you'll see the more radical brand as the norm.

They may seem moderate and peaceful, but wait until the population grows and they become a majority. The tables will be turned, history proves it.

[Praxeas]

IF he is involved in terrorism then the SEC needs to strip him of his shares....uh..how did he get them to begin with? Hmmmm

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

IF he is involved in terrorism then the SEC needs to strip him of his shares....uh..how did he get them to begin with? Hmmmm

Saudis carry a large stake in CITI. Arabs bought P & O and run some of our ports. I thing stock ownership is legal.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

IF he is involved in terrorism then the SEC needs to strip him of his shares....uh..how did he get them to begin with? Hmmmm

I'm wondering what is going on at the Federal Reserve.

Beautiful article by Frank Gaffney

The 'End of the Beginning' on Shariah?

The assembled union workers, firefighters, police officers, Patriot Guard bikers and other regular folks were addressed by a succession of citizen activists, community leaders and 9/11 family members. The thunderous response to patriotic speeches and songs about freedom and the threat posed to it by people l like those who toppled the once-adjacent World Trade Center rang in the canyons of Lower Manhattan and - due to the massive media presence - across the land.

When my turn came to speak, I actually thanked Imam Rauf. For, in his overreaching ambition to build what he first dubbed the "Ground Zero Mosque," Rauf unwittingly and unintentionally created a "teachable moment" about shariah, and what he and others like him are doing to insinuate it into this country.

http://townhall.com/columnists/Frank...riah/page/full

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In light of that do you think Moderate Islam needs to do more to let the rest of us know they are not like that? Should we just assume it?

I believe what Winston Churchill observed way back in 1899:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.

http://www.goldcoastchronicle.com/po...urchill-islam/

[Walks_in_islam]

It is filmed and put in front of you every day. BUT: It is your choice to acknowledge or ignore the fact that innocent Muslims die at the hand of extremists and stand up against extremists every day.

Blinding oneself to what is or is not true or factual does not change the facts. If the spilling of blood and the risking of life is not enough then nothing is enough.

What more would you have moderate Muslims do?

Moderate Muslims are fighting radical Muslims in Yemen still http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60C3GH20100113

Moderate Muslims are dying nearly every day in Iraq (60 killed/200 wounded just 2 days ago)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=129447896

A quote from the president of Pakistan (after 80 Muslims were killed on July 3rd in attacks on their mosques while they were inside worshipping):

Farahnaz Ispahani, spokeswoman for President Asif Ali Zardari, condemned the attack: “This sickening poison of extremism will be driven out of our nation and we will not be cowed.”

How much more spilled Muslim blood will satisfy your thirst and make you happy?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do moderate Muslims need to do more to convince non-Muslims that Radical Islamics are a minority and don't represent the real Islamic faith?

Let me expand on that but first I do want to know if anyone thinks they have no responsibility to speak up and out against Radical Islam and completely distance themselves from all forms of Jihad other than their own personal struggle against sin

I believe that the reason many Americans have an issue with this Mosque at ground zero is due a lot to mistrusting Islam and it's followers. Now, while not all Muslims are the so called "radical" or "extremist" muslims, I think many Americans tend to view moderates as passive participants

By that I mean they are viewed as Muslims who won't condemn these other groups. Or they even side with them or express empathy, while saying they don't condone violence. Or they don't support Al Queda but they do support Hamas against Israel. Or they even financially support certain groups that fund terrorist groups. Perhaps another reason is the view that many extremists started out as moderates or were pretending to be Moderates...our own CIA was guilty of assuming a moderate was really a moderate and several CIA members died in Afghanistan.

Also too is the idea of a bloodless Jihad, like what happened in Lebanon and what is happening in Europe, by sheer numbers and political power they take over a nation and it's government and enforce Sharia law.

That might be my skewed perception but I believe a lot of Americans and apparently even Europeans now are taking that view (see France's and other EU states recent actions against Islam). In light of that do you think Moderate Islam needs to do more to let the rest of us know they are not like that? Should we just assume it?

[Praxeas]

Im talking about here in the west