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08-11-2010, 09:14 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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FRUIT???!!!
The following was posted today by a prominent, high-ranking UPCI pastor:
I'm sorry but COLOR ME BAPTIST ...
The fruit of the Spirit is not enough?
We need "apostolic fruit" for "apostolic revival"?
The gifts or charismata of the Spirit are too entertaining? Requiring less work for us?
Edward Anglin you were right. Holy Toledo!
Yes, officially a cult of Pelagianism has gripped many in Apostolica .... where one's performance is the apex.
We now are branding His fruit ... sad.
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Dan, I don't get it. What is his point?
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08-11-2010, 09:15 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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Still makes sense to me, D. I think he means that emphasis on the gifts is wrong. Sensationalism. Paul said the gifts were operated fully by the Corinthians ( 1 Cor 1:7) but they were yet carnal (3:3). They are an example of emphasis on gifts and lacking in fruit as is evident in Ch 3 and 13.
You can get by with a lot of trash by emphasis on gifts and no fruit.
The dude is right, IMHO. Think "Corinthian". By not enough work, he means not enough getting hold of God in self denial and allowing the Spirit to change our lives, which you can escape when you emphasize the gifts. I preach this all the time! And I love the gifts, too.
Jesus spoke of those who cast out devils and perform wonders and how He never knew them. No self denial. |
This makes much more sense!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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08-11-2010, 09:19 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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Maintaining a close relationship with God does NOT produce spiritual fruit.
Spiritual fruit matures naturally in the lives of Spirit-filled believers who do not quench the work of the Spirit.
Shaw misses the boat on that one.
However, I do think he has a point. "Apostolics" rarely mention spiritual fruit.
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This has to be the most confusing thread ever! Who said "maintaining a close relationship with God does not produce spiritual fruit"? That makes no sense!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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08-11-2010, 09:21 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
The gifts of the spirit are important for the edification of the body of Christ,but we should as believers be manifesting the fruit of the Spirit in our daily walk with The lord.
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08-11-2010, 09:36 PM
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America, bless God.
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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This has to be the most confusing thread ever! Who said "maintaining a close relationship with God does not produce spiritual fruit"? That makes no sense!
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When one is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, details like context and clarity are of little importance. 
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08-11-2010, 09:48 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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This has to be the most confusing thread ever! Who said "maintaining a close relationship with God does not produce spiritual fruit"? That makes no sense!
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Those are my words.
The only thing that produces spiritual fruit is the uninhibited work of the Spirit.
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08-11-2010, 10:13 PM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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Those are my words.
The only thing that produces spiritual fruit is the uninhibited work of the Spirit.
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How is it possible to let the Spirit work uninhibited in our lives if we don't maintain a close relationship with Him? Don't they both go hand in hand? If we sow to the Spirit (maintain a close personal relationship with the Spirit through prayer, study of his word (getting to know Him), and fasting won't we then reap of the Spirit. If we abide in the vine, we will bring forth much fruit. Isn't abiding in the vine the same as having a close relationship with God?
I guess I don't understand what you are saying.
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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08-12-2010, 12:14 AM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
I had a friend that told me once that one can't be a Christian with out speaking in tongues. I said "aren't we to be like Christ" and they said, "yes and Christ was for speaking in tongues." I said "huh?" Many people have came up with crazy sayings and stuff but when you actually look at them MANY of them have no biblical base just "apostolic fruit" or "apostolic cross." How about an "apostolic passover" or an "apostolic ten commandments" oh wait we have those already. My bad.
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08-12-2010, 12:16 AM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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I had a friend that told me once that one can't be a Christian with out speaking in tongues. I said "aren't we to be like Christ" and they said, "yes and Christ was for speaking in tongues." I said "huh?" Many people have came up with crazy sayings and stuff but when you actually look at them MANY of them have no biblical base just "apostolic fruit" or "apostolic cross." How about an "apostolic passover" or an "apostolic ten commandments" oh wait we have those already. My bad.
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Well, there is already an apostolic birthday song...... <ugh!>
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08-12-2010, 12:20 AM
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Re: Fruit of The Spirit Not Enough - We Need Apost
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Well, there is already an apostolic birthday song...... <ugh!>
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I hate the "I am a Pentecostal" song. What a waste of 10 minutes. My favorite thing that I hear a lot is things like this "apostolic message." That really bugs me. The message is NOT Acts 2:38 our response to the Gospel might be Acts 2:38, but it isn't the message. I tend to shy away when people say that stuff.
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