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Old 06-20-2010, 07:39 PM
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What I got from the story is that one must know the truth and obey it, and get it 100% right, because if you make a tiny mistake, you're doomed. But we should let JT explain it for us.
You mean, 99.99999% isn't good enough?
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:04 PM
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Re: Are you off course a little?

I wonder how many planes have gotten off course and just figured it out somewhere down the road and then got back on?
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Re: Are you off course a little?

I would be consider way off course and even been called the H word..
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Was listening to a sermon from a friend of mine today and it got me thinking.....

Pan Am Flight 103 was a Boeing 747-100 named Clipper Maid of the Seas. The jumbo jet was the fifteenth 747 built and was delivered in February 1970, one month after the first 747 entered service with Pan Am.

On Wednesday 21 December 1988, Clipper Maid of the Seas touched down at London Heathrow Airport at noon (GMT) after a flight from Los Angeles and San Francisco, California, USA. The aircraft was parked at stand K14, Terminal 3, where it was guarded for two hours by Pan Am's security company, Alert Security, but was otherwise not watched.

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I don't get it. Pan Am flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, not by an error in its course or heading. ???


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I wonder how many planes have gotten off course and just figured it out somewhere down the road and then got back on?
Bravo!!

You also wonder how many people ended up taking an alternate route, winding up at the original destiny by means of tenacity and will.

I think we must also consider what we learn when the "Course" becomes unplanned or different. We learn to improvise, invent, and produce what was not in yesterday's ideal.

I wonder what the origin of a compass is. Did enough off track people invent one of the greatest tools of navigation known to man?

I am a believer in contrast. Our failures bring about great progress, and it’s very possible the Church tries to replace stamina for guilt, leading to the false Utopia of 100%.
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I don't get it. Pan Am flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, not by an error in its course or heading. ???

Right...I was wondering the same thing...

Good concept though, even if they got the specific flight wrong.
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I don't get it. Pan Am flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, not by an error in its course or heading. ???

How many of us are wrestling around with our "charts" and quarreling with our navigator and are completely oblivious to the ticking time bomb in our cargo hold?

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What I got from the story is that one must know the truth and obey it, and get it 100% right, because if you make a tiny mistake, you're doomed. But we should let JT explain it for us.
Well to us Christians use the Bible as our road map so to say or our flight plan. Obeying the truth is what keeps us safe. The story about the plane was just an example of how at times when we don't use our gages we can end up off course and end up in hostile situations.
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Well to us Christians use the Bible as our road map so to say or our flight plan. Obeying the truth is what keeps us safe. The story about the plane was just an example of how at times when we don't use our gages we can end up off course and end up in hostile situations.
I still don't get it JT. The "gauges" had nothing to do with the fact that there was a bomb planted in the cargo hold.

As long as the bomb was aboard, the plane and its occupants were all in mortal peril - no matter what the navigator and pilots did. The "hostile situation" existed because of the bomb.

You cut and pasted the account of the plane's flight plans (without attribution) from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_...03#Flight_plan.

No where in the quoted section, nor anywhere in the entire article was there any reference to Flight 103 being off course. In fact, the article makes it appear that everything was going well right up to the moment the bomb went off.

I guess Timmy (sigh!) wins this one. Even when we are "flying" within our assigned airspace and even after we've done everything correctly to ensure that we are "on the correct heading and course" through life, the enemy can still sneak a bomb on board and destroy our hopes of a safe and successful journey.

Does "the devil" really have that much power over whether we make it through or not? I don't think so. Perhaps the whole thing fails because of a false (or incorrect?) analogy.

Maybe Korean Airlines Flight 007 might make a better analogy.

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Timmy wins? But, I didn't say anything about... Oh, never mind.

Timmy wins!!
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