Apostolic Bible School in Tulsa

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

And? Were you?

Well, of course we thought we were. I heard some things that Bro. Norris taught and I just could not accept them. He was very strong on the three-step plan of salvation and I thought I had been saved for several months before I was baptized in Jesus' name. I thought that Jesus did come into my heart when I asked Him, and I thought that the change that happened to me was salvation. Silly me. I hadn't followed all the steps.

Something else he taught was on apostles and prophets. He taught that all the apostles and prophets of the New Testament church died in the first century and there could never be any more. He taught that there were only twelve apostles--never were any more and never could be any more-- and that Matthias in Acts 1:26 was not a real apostle. I was new in the Lord and hadn't been reading my Bible for long when I went there but I saw about 20 people (even one woman) called apostles in the Bible.

When I was at ABI I don't ever remember Bro. Norris being called "the Bear.
I guess he got that title later. We thought his initials S.G. stood for "Sagging Gut" because of the way his stomach hung out and the way his necktie hung down over it and followed its contour.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well, of course we thought we were. I heard some things that Bro. Norris taught and I just could not accept them. He was very strong on the three-step plan of salvation and I thought I had been saved for several months before I was baptized in Jesus' name. I thought that Jesus did come into my heart when I asked Him, and I thought that the change that happened to me was salvation. Silly me. I hadn't followed all the steps.

Do you think you're saved now?

Something else he taught was on apostles and prophets. He taught that all the apostles and prophets of the New Testament church died in the first century and there could never be any more. He taught that there were only twelve apostles--never were any more and never could be any more-- and that Matthias in Acts 1:26 was not a real apostle. I was new in the Lord and hadn't been reading my Bible for long when I went there but I saw about 20 people (even one woman) called apostles in the Bible.

Reminds me of something one of my kids was taught in Christian school: that every bone in Jesus' body was broken, on the cross. (He made the mistake of trying to correct his teacher's error. I thought he was smarter than that! )

When I was at ABI I don't ever remember Bro. Norris being called "the Bear.
I guess he got that title later. We thought his initials S.G. stood for "Sagging Gut" because of the way his stomach hung out and the way his necktie hung down over it and followed its contour.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Do you think you're saved now?
...

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yeppers.
not just think, I know according to my understanding of 1 John 5:13.
although some may think I'm no longer saved since I've left the mothership.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Sam

yeppers.
not just think, I know according to my understanding of 1 John 5:13.
although some may think I'm no longer saved since I've left the mothership.

Maybe they don't think, they know!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Maybe they don't think, they know!

Maybe they just think they know.

At one time when I was going to the Vineyard Church someone compared me to the prodigal son and compared the Vineyard to the hogpen.

[edjen01]

didn't Brother Norris also write a book about how the rapture/2nd coming/whatever he called it...would take place in 1987?

[BHILL]

My parents went to school there in the late 50's and as a kid CP Williams was my Pastor for a while before his son took over.CP Williams pulled the church out of the UPC in a dispute with the local UPC officials somewhere around 1958 and after that the college gradually lost enrollment and they closed it down. Alot of well known ministers went to school there-Kilgore,Jonathan Urshan,and others.
Mary Williams was a wonderful person and a great teacher.

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by edjen01

didn't Brother Norris also write a book about how the rapture/2nd coming/whatever he called it...would take place in 1987?

No book. But all of his prophesy teaching embraced a lot of what Larkin taught.

The premise was a 14 year tribulation. Therefore with 2000 being the "end" it was always believed the Rapture would take place by 1986.

As much as I loved ABI and Bro Norris I've wondered how those prophesy classes are taught today.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

I was there in 1950-1951 as a High School student and my brother graduated from the 8th. grade there. J B Lambeth was one of my high school class mates and we wrote to a couple of sisters from Texas, The Melton sisters.

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Wow! You really are old as dirt!!!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

I recently came across some material stating that the late Bro. C.P. Williams from Tulsa established a bible school in 1939 that the UPCI endoresed in 1945but later withdrew its endorsement. Does anyone know why the endoresment was withdrawn and for how long did the school operate?

Mark Hanby's (1st)wife, Gloria was a Williams. When he first came to Texas he was super duper UC, so that fits with him finding a wife in Tulsa.