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Old 02-01-2010, 09:07 PM
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You interpreted that quite incorrectly.

I defend their constitutional right to practice their religion freely.

The comments that I'm pretty sure are coming, oletime got a nice start on it, are what my reaction is to.
Interesting. Why are you against what happened there?

EDIT: I mean personally I don't see why earth worshippers really need a dedicated place like that. I figured any ole semi secluded spot in nature would be fine for them. But maybe I just don't know enough about it. But if a place like that is good for them, then I think it shows a great deal about how much religious freedom we have in our country.

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Old 02-01-2010, 09:21 PM
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Interesting. Why are you against what happened there?
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I'm not against the construction of a circle on government property or the constitutional freedom of all people to practice their religion of choice. I fully support the right of these people to practice their earth based religions.

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EDIT: I mean personally I don't see why earth worshippers really need a dedicated place like that. I figured any ole semi secluded spot in nature would be fine for them. But maybe I just don't know enough about it.
I do personally get it.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:23 PM
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jfrog...

I'm not against the construction of a circle on government property or the constitutional freedom of all people to practice their religion of choice. I fully support the right of these people to practice their earth based religions.



I do personally get it.
A little perspective/insight would be nice :/
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:45 PM
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Hey, this is great! Now Christians there know where to slide our tracts and who to talk to about Jesus when off the clock.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:00 PM
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The AF Academy is extremely huge and the Chapel is a major tourist spot on base here and can be seen from I-25. While this made big news I doubt that it will really attract people here. It doesn't shock me at all as Wiccans already hold their services on base. The 'news' of this is that this is in a way an official recognition for this group. (Who knows I may drive over to see how big/noticeable it is).
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:22 PM
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earth worshippers have thier own site at the air force academy now. whats next nambla asking for a site ? dog worshippers ? and on and on
"nambla" promotes a practice that is illegal in all 50 states. Why would you associate them with "earth centered religions" which don't condone any illegal activity at all?

Also, the article described them as "earth centered," not "Earth worshipers." There's a huge difference.

Finally, those who "worship dogs" already have many venues available to them and several kennel clubs located in almost every community in the United States - though these might be better understood as "dog centered" enthusiasts.

Finally, the Air Force chaplains office (which includes at least one UPC chaplain, last I had heard, though it's been a while) takes a more helpful view than yours:

"Every service member is charged with defending freedom for all Americans, and that includes freedom to practice our religion of choice or, for that matter, not to practice any faith at all," said Chaplain (Lt. Col.) William Ziegler, Cadet Wing chaplain. "Being in the military isn't just a job -- it's a calling. We all take an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and that means we've all sworn to protect one another's religious liberties. We all put on our uniforms the same way; we're all Airmen first."

These are the heroes on the front lines defending your right to disdain their beliefs while also protecting your right to whatever it is that you do believe. You owe them more respect.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:41 PM
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I suppose it could be worse oletime. At least they didn't ask for stone pentegrams to be layed on the ground for them somewhere.
No, that would be our nation's capitol, Washington D.C.

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Hey, I bet some of you folks could get on board for this new constitution!

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/User:LI...OF_NEW_AMERICA

And it has already been ratified!

Oh, here are some very special excerpts, from Article 3, Section 1 - Freedom of Religion:

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"Freedom of Religion" therefore as such; shall be enforced in New America as the the public display of worship of Jesus The Christ alone.
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Nor shall any other religion indoctrination materials or forms of persuasion be allowed. To attempt to do so is TREASON.
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