Do y'all think God doesn't know what His name is? I am an American, I just call on the name of Jesus. I think He knows who He is in any language.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
The quite is from wikipedia, so consider the source, but the reason I googeled anabaptists and Jesus name baptism is because I read it in book several years ago.
Looks like one of us has edited this Wiki article.
The book was "Pentecost before Asuza" by Marvin Arnold... again, consider the source, he had a reputation for being a bit revisionist. But all in all there may be truth in that as many anabaptists were anti-trinitarian and taking acts 2:38 at face value doesn't take any great stretch of imagination.
I can't believe I'm reading people bicker over what name to pronounce over a believer at baptism. This demonstrates that baptism doesn't have a "formula".
If you want to baptize like the Apostles, lead the believer in prayer, calling on the name of the Lord Jesus together. Then baptize them. It can be completely silent and still effectual. Do you really think YOU can call on the name of Jesus for someone else to have their sins remitted?
I could only imagine the stir that would bring Mike if you preached that message at an Arroyo Seco campmeeting and the scoffers and denominationalists that would reject the Newest Issue - baptism in the name of Joshua ... a more Apostolic rendering.
I would love to know if any of the 3 steppers on this board believe a baptism administed in the name of Josuha is effectual?
In Spanish, Joshua is translated Josue (ho-swe) which doesn't come close to Yeshua in the Hebrew. I'd have to think that if it is the translation orginal name then Josue would be just as effective?
A couple of centuries BC some Jews started the mikveh ritual.
It was a self-immersion done three times.
It was common at the time of John the Baptist among groups looking for a Messiah so when he came practicing it at the Jordan river it was not a rare sight.
Some disciples of John left him and began to follow Jesus but we have no record of their being re-baptized when they became disciples of Jesus.
The ritual was carried over and became part of the first century church.
Based on references from history, original "Christian" baptism was ideally a three-fold self immersion in running water but standing water could be used if running water was not available, and water could be poured on the head three times if enough water for immersion was not available.
The Roman Catholic church, based on pagan cleansing rituals, turned simple self-immersion into a ritual which became necessary for eternal life and according to the Douay Bible the "birth of water" of John 3:5. But , it was only effective if performed by an authorized person and in the authorized manner.
What if it was the intent of the heart that mattered, more than the words someone else pronounced, or their exact enunciation of them?
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
The answer of whose conscience: the believer's, or the baptizer's?
And yet some would argue that baptizing wrong would, by the same verse, be like Noah building the ark wrong-it would have sunk. How specific were the ark instructions? Did God hand Noah a blueprint, or did He describe something that Noah followed as he understood it? If we handed three construction companies the details of the ark as listed in Genesis, would they build three identical boats, or not?
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
What if it was the 16th century. You are reading through the bible and you come to the revelation that the first church baptized in Jesus name. You look around and nobody believes in baptism in Jesus name and so nobody will baptize you in Jesus name. What do you do?
I've read of more modern instances of this.
In 1910, A.D. Urshan became convinced that "Lord Jesus Christ" was the proper name of t"he triune God" (Father is Lord, Son is Jesus and Christ is Holy Ghost) and began to baptize that way in his mission in Chicago, IL. He did not believe anyone who had been previously immersed should be re-baptized. About 5 years later he reluctantly agreed to be rebaptized but did not consider it to be part of a "plan of salvation."
At some time, Leorard (L.A.) Parent became aware that NT baptism was done in Jesus' name. I don't remember where I read this, but, if I remember correctly, he stuck his hand down into some water and asked God to consider that to be his baptism in Jesus' name until he could find someone to baptize him.
L.R. OOton began to baptize in Jesus' name in Indiana back before the message came from the west coast. I don't know the exact year and I don't know how or when he was rebaptized in the name.
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