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04-19-2007, 12:25 PM
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I did not say America was Israel NOR did I say these verses specifically apply to America. I quoted them to show that God can and does forsake nations and why he forsakes them.
Context is everything! You quoted those verses immediately after you said "There are growing concerns it seems from other brothers and sisters that Judgement is coming to America."
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Thus, you connected those passages to judgment coming to America.
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"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." ( Psalms 9:17). Word simply stated; all nations that forget God and that certainly refers to Jesus as He alone is God shall be turned into hell. You leave out Jesus, you've left out God.
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04-19-2007, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Beard
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." ( Psalms 9:17). Word simply stated; all nations that forget God and that certainly refers to Jesus as He alone is God shall be turned into hell. You leave out Jesus, you've left out God. |
That's it, bring it Brother! 
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04-19-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Beard
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." ( Psalms 9:17). Word simply stated; all nations that forget God and that certainly refers to Jesus as He alone is God shall be turned into hell. You leave out Jesus, you've left out God. |
Amen, that also alludes to the fact that some nations knew him at one time but soon forgot him. 
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04-19-2007, 02:14 PM
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No application? Heresy? 
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Not all of it. Even if you say it is, that doesn't mean it applies to nations today. The gospel call is a call to individuals, not nations.
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04-19-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Beard
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." ( Psalms 9:17). Word simply stated; all nations that forget God and that certainly refers to Jesus as He alone is God shall be turned into hell. You leave out Jesus, you've left out God. |
So, what's your point? America is not, and has never been, a Christian nation. Further, there is no such thing as a Christian nation. The gospel call is a call to individuals, not nations.
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04-19-2007, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I did not say America was Israel NOR did I say these verses specifically apply to America. I quoted them to show that God can and does forsake nations and why he forsakes them.
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Good point Prax.
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04-19-2007, 02:21 PM
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No application? Heresy?
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Preach!
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04-19-2007, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
Not all of it. Even if you say it is, that doesn't mean it applies to nations today. The gospel call is a call to individuals, not nations.
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The problem with your reasoning; You do not have adequate knowledge of how this nation came to be. This nation is a miracle, against all odds, GOD and not man established this country. Don't forget, this whole earth is His and He can do whatever He wants to with it.
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04-19-2007, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
So, what's your point? America is not, and has never been, a Christian nation. Further, there is no such thing as a Christian nation. The gospel call is a call to individuals, not nations.
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This proves my previous point about your knowledge of history concerning the USA! This country was founded by those who desired religious freedom, and when I say "religeous freedom" I do not mean freedom from God.
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04-19-2007, 03:40 PM
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This proves my previous point about your knowledge of history concerning the USA! This country was founded by those who desired religious freedom, and when I say "religeous freedom" I do not mean freedom from God.
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No, the United States of America was not specifically founded by people who desired religious freedom. Certain British colonies (e.g. Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts) on the North American continent were founded by people who desired religious freedom but the United States of America was not.
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