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Old 07-29-2009, 01:22 AM
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Re: What can Satan do?

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No, this guy:

Ha ha, this cracked me up! I used to live with a friend of mine who was gay, and he dressed up like satan one year for Halloween. It kinda looked something like this.


Can they harm you?
There is a pastor's son I know (a great man of God) who claimed that he woke up in the middle of the night and there was a demon standing at the foot of his bed. Before he could rebuke him, the demon apparently scratched him on his chest. Now, I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what he said.
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:29 AM
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Re: What can Satan do?

I don't think of Satan as some anti-god who has equal but opposite power as God. What God does for good, Satan can do for evil. If God can heal, Satan can make sick. If God fills with the Holy Ghost, Satan can possess. God talks, the devil talks, and so on. If that were true then Satan would be God's equal only at the opposite pole. And God has no equal.

Satans only weapon, IMO, against us is the power to decieve. If Satan can convince us he has this great and terrible power over us, then, well, he DOES have this great and terrible power over us. Deception is his only tool, and its very effective.

The story of Job is a good example. Satan, with God's permission, killed all of Jobs children, took all he had, and inflicted him with boils. Did he? Really?

In the end of the Book, Job had all his kids and his possessions. All was well, because none of it was actually taken in the first place. "And there came a MESSENGER unto Job, and said..." Job 1:14. Job heard, and believed, these messengers, became distraught, and hives, which erupted into boils, broke out on his body. The fact is, IMO, Job believed a lie. The reason for it all? To help Job discover his human fallacy of self-righteouness. Yes, even "perfect people" have faults, Job's was that he was a little too self-righteous. He spent alot of time talking about HIS "goodness" and HIS "righteousness". (In addition, there was a good deal of self-pity there too.) Jobs victory was when he finally said, "Wherefore I abhor (hate) myself, and repent in dust and ashes." (42:6). If Job was so perfect, there would have been no need for him to repent. Once his "flaw" was discovered and corrected his trial ended.

But I'm off the topic. Satan decieved Job. Satan decieved Eve. If the devil can make people think he can possess them, then, he can. Or make them sick. Or do evil things. Its all deception. Read 2 Thess. 2:9-12, Eph. 4:14

Deception is a powerful tool. But many Christians (and Hollywood) has given Satan much more power than he really has.
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:38 AM
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Can Satan or his demons talk to you? Yes

Can they plant thoughts in your mind? Yes

Can they make you do things? If you are possessed.

Can they make you feel their presence? Yes

Can they see you? Yes

Can they hear your thoughts? No

Can they harm you? Yes
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I have a hard time believing God cast the devil down to hell and let him still keep the power that God let him use in the first place..
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:19 AM
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1 Peter 5:8 - he's a devourer - but if we're covered by the blood of Jesus, he can only do what God allows. and he cannot possess a spirit-filled child of God!
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In the end of the Book, Job had all his kids and his possessions. All was well, because none of it was actually taken in the first place. "And there came a MESSENGER unto Job, and said..." Job 1:14. Job heard, and believed, these messengers, became distraught, and hives, which erupted into boils, broke out on his body. The fact is, IMO, Job believed a lie.
Are you saying that his first set of children did not really die?
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I don't think of Satan as some anti-god who has equal but opposite power as God. What God does for good, Satan can do for evil. If God can heal, Satan can make sick. If God fills with the Holy Ghost, Satan can possess. God talks, the devil talks, and so on. If that were true then Satan would be God's equal only at the opposite pole. And God has no equal.

Satans only weapon, IMO, against us is the power to decieve. If Satan can convince us he has this great and terrible power over us, then, well, he DOES have this great and terrible power over us. Deception is his only tool, and its very effective.

The story of Job is a good example. Satan, with God's permission, killed all of Jobs children, took all he had, and inflicted him with boils. Did he? Really?

In the end of the Book, Job had all his kids and his possessions. All was well, because none of it was actually taken in the first place. "And there came a MESSENGER unto Job, and said..." Job 1:14. Job heard, and believed, these messengers, became distraught, and hives, which erupted into boils, broke out on his body. The fact is, IMO, Job believed a lie. The reason for it all? To help Job discover his human fallacy of self-righteouness. Yes, even "perfect people" have faults, Job's was that he was a little too self-righteous. He spent alot of time talking about HIS "goodness" and HIS "righteousness". (In addition, there was a good deal of self-pity there too.) Jobs victory was when he finally said, "Wherefore I abhor (hate) myself, and repent in dust and ashes." (42:6). If Job was so perfect, there would have been no need for him to repent. Once his "flaw" was discovered and corrected his trial ended.

But I'm off the topic. Satan decieved Job. Satan decieved Eve. If the devil can make people think he can possess them, then, he can. Or make them sick. Or do evil things. Its all deception. Read 2 Thess. 2:9-12, Eph. 4:14

Deception is a powerful tool. But many Christians (and Hollywood) has given Satan much more power than he really has.
Interesting take on Job. Haven't heard that one before.

So, how does Satan deceive? There has to be some communication for that to happen. Audible? Still small voice? Books? AFF posts?
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Can they hear your thoughts? No

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I've heard preachers say that for years, but what's the basis for it? Is there scripture?
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Satans only weapon, IMO, against us is the power to decieve. If Satan can convince us he has this great and terrible power over us, then, well, he DOES have this great and terrible power over us. Deception is his only tool, and its very effective.

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BTW, "Satan" could accomplish this goal of deception, even if he doesn't exist!
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Are you saying that his first set of children did not really die?
I think that's what he's saying, yes. Notice that everything else (property) was doubled for him, but he ended up with the same number of kids as before, three daughters and seven sons. I think OA's on to something.
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