Jesus' Blood is More Powerful than the Sin of Adam

[Shawn]

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



A Christian Universalist will make no other claim.

You said this.....

However where Crakjak and his friends fall short is that it is through faith and that somehow one can be an unrepentant Buddhist pedophile serial killer during one's life, and without Scripture, say that after death he will have a chance to have faith in the sacrifice of Christ for his salvation.


And Paul says....

For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous. -the many-parallel

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


I have Faith in Christ to the very core of my being. The things this world has to offer.....nothing but dust and rags. I would tell all to be baptized in Jesus name and filled with the spirit. And I believe Onesness.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Amen, by universalist brother. Unitarians and universalists the world over like President John Adams applaud your veiled assertion.

The key to understanding this passage is that Paul is speaking of what is the free gift that constitutes ALL OF MAN righteous before God, which is the righteousness through the blood of Christ. This passages is not speaking of universal salvation as some have distorted and warped it to mean but rather the universal gift of righteousness available through faith that is the foundation basis of salvation of the BELIEVER.

Crakjak, you know better than to prooftext. Romans 5, IN CONTEXT, begins with this thesis statement.

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

The righteousness and basis of forgiveness is accessed through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ which you believe does not need to be expressed in a man's lifetime but rather God in his irresistible grace and love will torment and punish some in hell temporarily until they love Him for eternity.

This doctrine does not understand love allows choice even at the sake of losing.

My friend, it is the one righteous action of Jesus Christ that reconciles man to God, it is by faith that we actually enter into this reconciliation. The only problem you have with UR is that you close the door to this faith at physical death, scripture does not.

God has allowed choice in the world and many are the sorrows because of the choice men ignorantly make. Man is literally spiritually brain damaged, or spiritually brain dead, God "...knows our frame..." and therefore He never, ever gives up on His creation.

It is not love that would allow the choice of eternal damnation, do you love your children enough to allow them the choice of playing in the traffic? Well, man is just as flawed in his thinking in relation to God, as your children in relation to adult maturity.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

My friend, it is the one righteous action of Jesus Christ that reconciles man to God, it is by faith that we actually enter into this reconciliation. The only problem you have with UR is that you close thr door to this faith at physical death, scripture does not.

God has allowed choice in the world and many are the sorrows because of the choice men ignorantly make. Man is literally spiritually brain damaged, or spiritually brain dead, God "...knows our frame..." and therefore He never, ever gives up on His creation.

It is not love that would allow the choice of eternal damnation, do you love your children enough to allow them the choice of playing in the traffic? Well, man is just as flawed in his thinking in relation to God, as your children in relation to adult maturity.

Once again CJ abandons scripture for an emotional argument.

CJ the same argument can be said for all the children in this world that are raped, abused and killed...in fact those are the emotional arguments Atheists routinely make.

But it must be pointed out that although God is love, God can hate. He hated Esau and rejected him. The word of God does not support your position.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Once again CJ abandons scripture for an emotional argument.

CJ the same argument can be said for all the children in this world that are raped, abused and killed...in fact those are the emotional arguments Atheists routinely make.

But it must be pointed out that although God is love, God can hate. He hated Esau and rejected him. The word of God does not support your position.

Please explain what the bolded part has to do with my post. Seems you are on autopilot, if I post you throw your standard ridiculous arguments out.

I shared a different translation of Romans 5:18-19 for consideration and discussion. You have a closed mind so why torture yourself??

UR is scripturally reasonable and supportable much more than ED, the idea that God will eternally torture His creation, or lose the vast majority of those created in His image, by annihilation should insult your intelligence.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Please explain what the bolded part has to do with my post. Seems you are on autopilot, if I post you throw your standard ridiculous arguments out.

I shared a different translation of Romans 5:18-19 for consideration and discussion. You have a closed mind so why torture yourself??

UR is scripturally reasonable and supportable much more than ED, the idea that God will eternally torture His creation, or lose the vast majority of those created in His image, by annihilation should insult your intelligence.

CJ if being on autopilot means making ridiculous arguments the you are a jumbo jet liner on auto pilot.

The only closed mind is yours. You want discussion but when someone disagrees with and points out the flaw in your argument you become belligerent.

What insults my intelligence is someone trying to appeal to pity or emotions rather than a strong scriptural argument.

You can't stick to scriptures. The moment someone puts crimp in your scriptural argument you once again abandon scriptures and try to reason through emotional arguments.

If your argument is God is love, therefore God won't allow souls to be destroyed in hell then the same argument can be made God is love so God won't allow children to be raped, abused and murdered...yet it happens everyday.

What you are doing CJ is molding God after your own image, rather than accepting the God of the bible. God is love, yet that same God hated Esau.

Yet your paradigm has a God that could never hate Esau...because Esau is His creation and God is love therefore God loves Esau...sorry but the word says otherwise. What you are doing CJ, as I said before, is defining God after your own idea of what a God should be like. That is my opinion of what you are doing whether you realize you are doing it or not.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

CJ if being on autopilot means making ridiculous arguments the you are a jumbo jet liner on auto pilot.

The only closed mind is yours. You want discussion but when someone disagrees with and points out the flaw in your argument you become belligerent.

What insults my intelligence is someone trying to appeal to pity or emotions rather than a strong scriptural argument.

You can't stick to scriptures. The moment someone puts crimp in your scriptural argument you once again abandon scriptures and try to reason through emotional arguments.

If your argument is God is love, therefore God won't allow souls to be destroyed in hell then the same argument can be made God is love so God won't allow children to be raped, abused and murdered...yet it happens everyday.

What you are doing CJ is molding God after your own image, rather than accepting the God of the bible. God is love, yet that same God hated Esau.

Yet your paradigm has a God that could never hate Esau...because Esau is His creation and God is love therefore God loves Esau...sorry but the word says otherwise. What you are doing CJ, as I said before, is defining God after your own idea of what a God should be like. That is my opinion of what you are doing whether you realize you are doing it or not.

I will and have addressed any opposing scripture that you have or can present with reasonable and scriptural refutation. You of all folks should be careful of accusing someone of belligerence.

God never hated Esau in the sense that you present at all, have you not read Jacob's response to his brother at their reconciliation? I believe he said Esau's face was as the face of God, hard to believe he was so hated of God.

My definition of God is straight from the Word, it is tradition straight from the Roman apostate church, that believes that God will torture His creation for billions of years or burn them to a crisp? However, scripture clearly tells us that God hated the practice of Israel burning their children to the idol Molech. God said he never had such a thought. So, I am very confident in my view of God, He doesn't change so how is it possible that ED could be true?

His purpose of "saving the world" will not fail.

Good night, rest well!!