Paul And Women Teachers.

[Dordrecht]

This seems to be about female teachers.
Joyce Meyers is a prime example why women should not be teaching.

[TJJJ]

Paul was right,

Women should be quiet in Church, listen to their respective husbands...

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

Reverance her husband...

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Have plenty ofchildren...

1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Learn in silence...

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


If we are going to have a free for all, lets just start it out right!

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Paul was right,

Women should be quiet in Church, listen to their respective husbands...

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

hehe this scripture references specifically men who are not "won" or "saved" yet...

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Reverance her husband...

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Yep, and the husband should love his wife as himself, and he sure 'nough would respect his own opinions and ideas!!

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Have plenty ofchildren...

1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Hmmm... doesn't say how many children; that could mean just one or a whole quiver full...

Originally Posted by TJJJ

If we are going to have a free for all, lets just start it out right!

OK!!!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

1 Corinthians 14:34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Paul, when writing to Timothy, also had this commandment to the Corinthians that he had given, and he wrote other things concerning the conduct of women in public worship. Women are not permitted to speak in the public meeting, in the form of instruction or teaching, however, we know they are allowed to pray or prophesy outloud, from 1 Corinthians 11:5, and singing and such things are permitted. I am not a legalist either, in that I don't believe a woman can't whisper something to someone sitting next to her. However, a woman is not permitted from this passage and various other passages, to teach, or to serve in the office of a deacon, elder or bishop.

The tradition of allowing ministers wives to teach, as happens in some UPC churches- especially on Mother's Day, is completely unbiblical, and trangresses the commandment given by Paul.

-Bro. Alex

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

The tradition of allowing ministers wives to teach, as happens in some UPC churches- especially on Mother's Day, is completely unbiblical, and trangresses the commandment given by Paul.

Some would argue that if a man tells a woman to teach, she is in obedience by doing as told.

Some would say that in the Corinthian churches women were yelling out questions and disrupting services, and that this is what Paul was talking about.

Others could say we aren't under the law, but under grace.

Others say that 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law"
means they should totally keep their mouths shut-no singing, no speaking, no teaching, no testifying-keep silence, not a peep.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Some would argue that if a man tells a woman to teach, she is in obedience by doing as told.

The apostolic commandment, and authority to back up the commandment, can not be usurped by some pastor who may tell a woman to teach. Both the pastor and woman teacher are wrong.

Originally Posted by missourimary

Some would say that in the Corinthian churches women were yelling out questions and disrupting services, and that this is what Paul was talking about.

This is some fabricated story, which I have never heard of, outside of those who wish to support women teachers. Regardless of what was going on in Corinth, 1 Timothy 2, and the other writings of Paul and Peter forbid women to teach- no Scripture is of any private interpretation, and even without 1 Corinthians 14, there is still sufficient Scripture to forbid the sisters to teach.

Originally Posted by missourimary

Others could say we aren't under the law, but under grace.

I don't know what this phrase was supposed to argue, since Paul penned his letters after Christ had nailed the law and its ordinances to the cross. New commands and ordinances were given by the apostles for us to follow, so we are in the same "thing" or covenant/dispensation as Paul, and his command still stands.

Originally Posted by missourimary

Others say that 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law"
means they should totally keep their mouths shut-no singing, no speaking, no teaching, no testifying-keep silence, not a peep.

I have never heard someone to say "no singing", not even Steve Winter. They usually say, "Let everything thing that has breath praise the LORD", and this allows for the sisters to sing, but either way, all Christians are urged to encourage themselves and sing songs, and this would be an appropriate vocal utterance of a sister during public worship, since she is not speaking to men, but to GOD, and is singing and not teaching. Also, women can pray and prophesy in the public meeting. I have been in a church of Christ assembly where some women wore veils, though, and they did not speak a word during the service, except to sing with the rest of the congregation, it is not impossible to not make a verbal utterance for an hour or two. Although, again, I do not think this is what Paul is commanding.

-Bro. Alex

[missourimary]

I'm not sure I could stay absolutely quiet for an hour or two unless my life or someone else's depended on it...

If women can't speak or teach in church, why are almost all Sunday School teachers women?? Sunday school doesn't count? The "boys" in the classes aren't men? Until what age?

I'm being silly. I've heard so many different teachings, even within the same building, that I've just thrown up my hands on the matter. I don't teach, I don't speak out in service, but more because I'm not asked than that I've studied it out. It isn't something I've personally had to worry about.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by missourimary

I'm not sure I could stay absolutely quiet for an hour or two unless my life or someone else's depended on it...

If women can't speak or teach in church, why are almost all Sunday School teachers women?? Sunday school doesn't count? The "boys" in the classes aren't men? Until what age?

I'm being silly. I've heard so many different teachings, even within the same building, that I've just thrown up my hands on the matter. I don't teach, I don't speak out in service, but more because I'm not asked than that I've studied it out. It isn't something I've personally had to worry about.

Yes, children are different than men...

-Bro. Alex

[RandyWayne]

Saved, just a short question.... What ARE women entitled to do? Either in the Church or anywhere else?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Saved, just a short question.... What ARE women entitled to do? Either in the Church or anywhere else?

They could help out in the kitchens, laundry rooms, etc

Janitorial work, there's all kinds of opportunities.