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Old 04-12-2007, 08:44 PM
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Your query about whether we would truly know joy if there were no such thing as pain.

How would we know Christ as Healer if there were no sickness?

How would we know Him as the resurrection if there were no death?

Pain provides a backdrop to help us appreciate joy, like the black velvet behind the diamonds.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:50 PM
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Why does God increase Eve's pains ... ??? As a punishment?Or was there another reason?

Did she feel some kind of discomfort before when giving birth ... one could infer that to increase means it existed before but in a lessened state ... just asking.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:59 PM
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Why does God increase Eve's pains ... ??? As a punishment?Or was there another reason?

Did she feel some kind of discomfort before when giving birth ... one could infer that to increase means it existed before but in a lessened state ... just asking.
There is no record of her ever giving birth before the fall.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:00 PM
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There is no record of her ever giving birth before the fall.
and no record that she didn't
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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www.brfwitness.org/Articles/1979v14n3.htm

Great article about suffering
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:02 PM
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Perhaps the increase ... deals with ... the pain that resulted in disobeying God and the guilt that followed ...
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:05 PM
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Great article about suffering
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Why is there so much suffering here in this life? The Bible teaches that suffering in general, came into this world as a result of sin. In other words, if there had been no sin in the world, we would have reason to believe there would never have been any suffering. This doesn't mean that all suffering is the result of one's own sin, nor does it mean that the person who suffers, isn't leading the right kind of life.

Job's comforters made this mistake. They reasoned that suffering is the result of sin (and so it is; suffering was part of the curse that God pronounced upon mankind after the fall). But; these men reasoned that because Job was a great sufferer, therefore he must be a great sinner. One of Job's friends said, "Who ever perished, being innocent? Or where were the righteous cut off?" (Job 4:7).

In other words he said, "The innocent don't suffer, and therefore because you are suffering, you must be guilty."

The truth of the matter is that many people suffer (not because of their own sin, but because of the sins of other people. There are wives whosuffer because of the sins of wayward husbands. There are children who suffer because of the sins of their parents. There are whole nations that suffer because of the sins of wicked leaders. And so we say that not all suffering is the result of one's own sin.
Quoted from the article you provided ... how many times do we judge our brethren who are suffering and say they must have done something wrong.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:07 PM
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Can Gabby understand /appreciate the work of Calvary?
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:11 PM
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The American church has lost the will to suffer and endure pain for the cause of Christ. We have taught this generation that God is present to ease every pain. That God's will is for them to prosper in every possible way. That anything less than this is living beneath the priviledges of a child of God, and that this lack of blessing must stem from either ignorance or unbelief which is equal to sin.

Was Paul some sort of masochist? He actually gloried in his suffering? If he was, I guess we will have to add James to that category as well. He wrote, "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various trials" (James 1:2). Here's part of Peter's take on it, "Rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy" (1 Peter 4:13). It looks like Paul is not the only one who experienced and gloried in suffering, but also that of the entire line of inspired writers.

Can you imagine this sermon being preached?:

"Oh that I may know Him!" (Hoots and amens)
"Oh, that I may know the power of His resurrection!" (More hoots and amens)
"Oh, that I may know the fellowship of His sufferings!" (Couple mistimed amens and more than a few confused looks)
"Oh, that I might be conformed to His death!" (What does he mean, conformed to His death?)
"And finally, that I may attain the resurrection of the dead!" (Amens all around, though perhaps less enthusiastic)
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:15 PM
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What's interesting ... on the flip side .... the prosperity crowd criticize some Christians for glorifying pain and suffering ...

What's the balance?? ...

Paul speaks of a one-two punch .. the power of His resurrection {Easter morning} and the fellowship of His suffering {Good Friday}
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