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04-06-2009, 02:36 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: Prayer Shawl
agreed...
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04-06-2009, 02:49 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
So WHY then did Paul write that it was a shame for a man to pray with his head covered? This is so confusing to me.
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04-06-2009, 03:02 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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So WHY then did Paul write that it was a shame for a man to pray with his head covered? This is so confusing to me.
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Indeed... at the wailing wall they don't dare show up for prayer without their head being covered.
That being in stark contradiction to Paul's instruction... who himself... was a Jew.
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04-06-2009, 03:41 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
awesome. Thanks for this info. I had thought that psalm 91 verse about abiding under the shadow of the Almighty, might be connected with the verse Jesus commented when He looked over Jerusalem and cried, If only you would have come unto me and I would have gathered you under my wings like a mother hen does her chicks. The verse" He that dwelleth in the {secret place of the most high} to me speaks of hiding in Christ Jesus. There is a verse in the old testament, I think in Isaih, that says" They shall hide in a man".
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04-06-2009, 03:44 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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So WHY then did Paul write that it was a shame for a man to pray with his head covered? This is so confusing to me.
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Perhaps I don't understand the question?
A man prays with his head uncovered. Because he symbolizes his Head - Christ, who is revealed. No doubt, if one is still waiting the Messiah - if he is yet to be revealed - then covering would still be appropriate.
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04-06-2009, 03:48 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
There is a man, Perry Stone , who has a tremendous ministry connecting old testament and new. You can look him up on the internet. I have watched his program for 3 years. Its called Manna-fest. He has an awesome incite into the kinsman redeemer and the marriage vows and how it all connects with Jesus coming back for His bride.
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04-06-2009, 03:50 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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Perhaps I don't understand the question?
A man prays with his head uncovered. Because he symbolizes his Head - Christ, who is revealed. No doubt, if one is still waiting the Messiah - if he is yet to be revealed - then covering would still be appropriate.
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Then those who are apostolics and are fond of these things should really re-think the situation should they not.
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04-06-2009, 04:28 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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Then those who are apostolics and are fond of these things should really re-think the situation should they not.
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Well sure - I think so.
It is understandable that many Christians are fascinated with all things Jewish. It should never delve into countering the actual New Testament message - whether in real substance of the cross or it's symbolism.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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04-06-2009, 04:32 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Well sure - I think so.
It is understandable that many Christians are fascinated with all things Jewish. It should never delve into countering the actual New Testament message - whether in real substance of the cross or it's symbolism.
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I agree completely.
While these things can offer excellent types & shadows of what we possess and great lessons can be gleaned from them there is sometimes an unhealthy fascination and obsession with, as you said, "all things jewish" to the point that this great salvation which these things foreshadowed almost becomes secondary.
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04-06-2009, 04:51 PM
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Re: Prayer Shawl
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Perhaps I don't understand the question?
A man prays with his head uncovered. Because he symbolizes his Head - Christ, who is revealed. No doubt, if one is still waiting the Messiah - if he is yet to be revealed - then covering would still be appropriate.
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Men covering their hair during prayer was a Jewish custom, correct? So why did Paul say it was a shame?
You think that after the resurrection of Jesus, that's when it became a shame? But there were many other Jewish customs that continued, right, that Paul didn't think were necessary, but didn't call a shame?
I Cor. 11 just seems to jump out there with no precedent, it just confuses me. I'm sure the people he was writing to understood his point, but I'm still not quite understanding where that passage had other witness in scripture.
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