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Old 04-02-2007, 10:27 AM
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Elder E, could you perhaps give a brief summary of each for those doctrines for those on AFF who aren't theologians and may not be aware of what you are speaking of....
1. The "Adam Doctrine" Jesus was actually Adam in the garden thus he died for his own sins he committed in the garden that he was not God until the river of Jordan then revised to the resurrection then well he really is not God.
2. The "Ultimate Reconciliation" doctrine Crajack believes this now it is called the doctrine of Inclusion ALL men will be saved if they repent or not, some even teach Satan himself will be saved.
3. The "Serpent Seed" doctrine is Calvinism with a new twist the serpent(which was the missing link) had sex with Eve and Cain was her offspring and all his descendants are presdestined to Hell.
4. The "Spiritual Communion" doctrine denys the ordinances of the literal observance of the Lord's supper and Feetwashing.
5. The "Divine Flesh" doctrine teaches Jesus was not the biological son of Mary thus his flesh was divine and not human thus doing away with the doctrine of redemption.
6. The "Full Preterism" doctrine denies the future return of Christ-resurrection of the dead-judgment.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:29 AM
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Thank you Brother Epley for your word from on high as to what will & will not ........ us.
Do YOU believe any false teaching would ........ us??? If so would you care to name them?
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This came up in the Trinity thread so I will address it. Just because one has been born again by obeying Acts 2:38 does NOT guarantee them into Heaven unless they continue steadfastly in the Apostles' doctrine. Pentecost sadly from the 1st century has had men to began to preach perverted teachings that destryed themselves and those who followed them. In Modern times the same has happened men who once preached truth now preach damnable heresies I will name some examples;
1. The "Adam" doctrine.
2. The "Ultimate Reconciliation" doctrine.
3. The "Serpent Seed" doctrine.
4. The "Spiritual Communion" doctrine.
5. The "Divine Flesh" doctrine.
6. The "Full Preterism" doctrine
There's a large Branhamite church here in our area. They run close to a thousand members, are very active and involved extensively overseas as well.

I was busy waiting on a customer on Saturday but one of my co-workers was approached by a lady who said something to the effect that we all were "religious" .... but this will lead you to "truth" and handed her a couple of business type cards advertising their church's NEW website!

Check this out!!! (Skip the intro.)
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:33 AM
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There's a large Branhamite church here in our area. They run close to a thousand members, are very active and involved extensively overseas as well.

I was busy waiting on a customer on Saturday but one of my co-workers was approached by a lady who said something to the effect that we all were "religious" .... but this will lead you to "truth" and handed her a couple of business type cards advertising their church's NEW website!

Check this out!!! (Skip the intro.)
I know the pastor. That deception is very much living though their prophet is dead.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:40 AM
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I know the pastor. That deception is very much living though their prophet is dead.
I've not met the pastor yet. But I've talked several times with his son and daughter-in-law. The son is the missions director of that church and does quite a bit of traveling overseas. They are very technologically progressive and have pretty impressive facilities .... as is this new website.

They're growing while most of the UPCI churches are struggling.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:42 AM
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This came up in the Trinity thread so I will address it. Just because one has been born again by obeying Acts 2:38 does NOT guarantee them into Heaven unless they continue steadfastly in the Apostles' doctrine. Pentecost sadly from the 1st century has had men to began to preach perverted teachings that destryed themselves and those who followed them. In Modern times the same has happened men who once preached truth now preach damnable heresies I will name some examples;
1. The "Adam" doctrine.
2. The "Ultimate Reconciliation" doctrine.
3. The "Serpent Seed" doctrine.
4. The "Spiritual Communion" doctrine.
5. The "Divine Flesh" doctrine.
6. The "Full Preterism" doctrine
Fantastic, I am safe, I have no idea what any of these mean...
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:42 AM
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I've not met the pastor yet. But I've talked several times with his son and daughter-in-law. The son is the missions director of that church and does quite a bit of traveling overseas. They are very technologically progressive and have pretty impressive facilities .... as is this new website.

They're growing while most of the UPCI churches are struggling.
Folks move in there from all over the world same in Tucson, Az. Both men are leaders in that movement. Byskal is a tremendous speaker.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:48 AM
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I know the pastor. That deception is very much living though their prophet is dead.
In your opinion...Was Branham a false prophet?

Were the healings lieing wonders?
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This came up in the Trinity thread so I will address it. Just because one has been born again by obeying Acts 2:38 does NOT guarantee them into Heaven unless they continue steadfastly in the Apostles' doctrine. Pentecost sadly from the 1st century has had men to began to preach perverted teachings that destryed themselves and those who followed them. In Modern times the same has happened men who once preached truth now preach damnable heresies I will name some examples;
1. The "Adam" doctrine.
2. The "Ultimate Reconciliation" doctrine.
3. The "Serpent Seed" doctrine.
4. The "Spiritual Communion" doctrine.
5. The "Divine Flesh" doctrine.
6. The "Full Preterism" doctrine
Hi steve,I have heard most of these teaching except I may not have heard # 1,2,and 4.The others are false but can you post #1,2,4 ? The bottom line is all false teaching is lies.All liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:53 AM
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This came up in the Trinity thread so I will address it. Just because one has been born again by obeying Acts 2:38 does NOT guarantee them into Heaven unless they continue steadfastly in the Apostles' doctrine. Pentecost sadly from the 1st century has had men to began to preach perverted teachings that destryed themselves and those who followed them. In Modern times the same has happened men who once preached truth now preach damnable heresies I will name some examples;
1. The "Adam" doctrine.
2. The "Ultimate Reconciliation" doctrine.
3. The "Serpent Seed" doctrine.
4. The "Spiritual Communion" doctrine.
5. The "Divine Flesh" doctrine.
6. The "Full Preterism" doctrine
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Thank you Brother Epley for your word from on high as to what will & will not ........ us.

Thanks, Bro. Epley, for a very good thread. Some growing pains left us with a lot of meaningless threads in the last few weeks and this thread offers us the kind of substance that we have lacked.

D4T, coming out of left field with a radically uncalled for remark shows us that you would rather offer a pointless argument than converse over legitimate points made.

Unless you are genuinely the kind who likes being trapped in the meaningless blather of threads lacking substance I think it would be a good idea to answer Bro. Epley's question he eventually asked you: What will cause a man to be lost? If the things that he listed won't affect the salvation of your soul then truth matters not one whit in other areas.

We await your answer.
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