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10-15-2008, 08:54 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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Is there anyone more racist that Jesse Jackson?
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Perhaps those who value the rights of Israelis over the rights of Palestinians. 
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10-15-2008, 09:05 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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Ok....a religious "belief" is cool. But I think it's dangerous to form international policy that inflames the Arab world on merely one school of theology's "belief". Modern Israel is NOT the biblical Israel, nor is she the restored Israel like so many like to preach. And hypothetically...if she is the restored Israel and Dispensationalism is true....she's not going to support America. She's going to become a whore, like every other nation, and turn to the Antichrist when he pretends to be a Messiah.
Right now too much is at stake to base foreign relations on some freaky religious belief that only offers one school of theology's perspective. The only one's tho oppose the Antichrist in the Revelation are "saints"....that means saved Christians...not Jews.
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Well I didn't realize my belief was freaky, you are entitled as well as I to opinions of foreign policy.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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10-15-2008, 09:07 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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Well I didn't realize my belief was freaky, you are entitled as well as I to opinions of foreign policy.
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Just keep in mind....our kids might have to fight and die in a war inflamed by our radical loyalty to Israel founded on religious fundamentalism and crack pot theology.
It seems like the more religious a person is the less of a grip they have on the stark reality. It's more than just one belief against another. Lives are at stake.
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10-15-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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Just keep in mind....our kids might have to fight and die in a war inflamed by our radical loyalty to Israel founded on religious fundamentalism and crack pot theology.
It seems like the more religious a person is the less of a grip they have on the stark reality. It's more than just one belief against another. Lives are at stake.
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The reality is there will be war and death until Jesus comes. I am in no way trying to say that any life is greater than the other. I do know that I am crazy, but I am not stupid either. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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10-15-2008, 09:24 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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lord have mercy.
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amen,amen,and again amen.
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10-15-2008, 09:26 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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I assure you he has mercy....and He loves the Palestinians too.
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Maybe the people,but not the policy....or their religion.
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10-15-2008, 09:39 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
Antipas, the Palestinians are in the condition they are in by their own choosing!
The UN partitioned Palestine. The Jews were happy to coexist with the Arabs. They had for generations anyway. But the Arabs refused to accept the nation of Israel, went to war against the Jews and the Jews had to defend themselves. In 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, Israel had to fight against unbelievable odds to survive.
Israel has tried again and again to make peace with the Palestinians, even going to the point that Ehud Barak was going to give Arafat 98% of the land he wanted back in 2000. Instead, Arafat denied peace and the latest intifada began. Blaming Israel and the US for the plight of the Palestinians is evidence that you are listening to the liberal voices in politics today who are always on the wrong side of history. The FACTS of the Mid-East conflict point to one source of failure: the Arabs.
You give the hypothetical of the Palestinain shop owner losing his store. Its hypothetical. We know for a fact that thousands of Jews have been slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists over the years. Innocent people going to work, going to school, going to the market, eating at a restaurant, attending a wedding. THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE AND TO MURDER FROM THE EARLIEST OF YEARS.
Are there innocent Palestinians caught in the crossfire? Sure. But the injustices laid upon them are the result of corrupt leaders, radical Muslim theology, Arab brothers from other nations that DO NOT WANT THESE PEOPLE. Israel has been better to them than any nation in the Middle East. Israel has made concession after concession to find peace, and what do they get for it? More terrorism, more demands, more death, more broken promises.
The Palestinain authorities, religious leaders and political groups all live by the credo that Israel must be destroyed and cease to exist.
I'm sorry, but this pity party for the Palestinian people is pathetic. We should feel sorry for the innocent men, women and children, but they are unfortunately the ones who are suffering because of THEIR LEADERS, THEIR BROTHERS, and THEIR RELIGION.
Has Israel done everything perfectly? No. But their failures pale in comparison to the colossal and gargantuan failures of the Palestinians.
As far as your accusation of blind theology: If modern Israel is not Biblical Israel what is it? If the establishment of modern Israel is not a fulfillment of God's promise to make them a nation again then what is it? If God's promise to Abraham that He would bless those that blessed him and cursed those that cursed him doesn't still apply Abraham and the Jews, why?
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10-15-2008, 09:43 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
BTW Antipas, our policy of loyalty to Israel is not based on blind radical theology. Its based on the fact that they have been the only ONE TRUE DEMOCRACY in the Middle East. They turned that area into an economic success story. They lead that area in computer technology, agriculture, they have the best quality of life because they live in freedom and liberty there. In case you missed it, that is an ideal that America has been embracing for a few hundred years now. So your accusation about radical theology is really non sequitur.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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10-15-2008, 09:48 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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Antipas, the Palestinians are in the condition they are in by their own choosing!
The UN partitioned Palestine. The Jews were happy to coexist with the Arabs. They had for generations anyway. But the Arabs refused to accept the nation of Israel, went to war against the Jews and the Jews had to defend themselves. In 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, Israel had to fight against unbelievable odds to survive.
Israel has tried again and again to make peace with the Palestinians, even going to the point that Ehud Barak was going to give Arafat 98% of the land he wanted back in 2000. Instead, Arafat denied peace and the latest intifada began. Blaming Israel and the US for the plight of the Palestinians is evidence that you are listening to the liberal voices in politics today who are always on the wrong side of history. The FACTS of the Mid-East conflict point to one source of failure: the Arabs.
You give the hypothetical of the Palestinain shop owner losing his store. Its hypothetical. We know for a fact that thousands of Jews have been slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists over the years. Innocent people going to work, going to school, going to the market, eating at a restaurant, attending a wedding. THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE AND TO MURDER FROM THE EARLIEST OF YEARS.
Are there innocent Palestinians caught in the crossfire? Sure. But the injustices laid upon them are the result of corrupt leaders, radical Muslim theology, Arab brothers from other nations that DO NOT WANT THESE PEOPLE. Israel has been better to them than any nation in the Middle East. Israel has made concession after concession to find peace, and what do they get for it? More terrorism, more demands, more death, more broken promises.
The Palestinain authorities, religious leaders and political groups all live by the credo that Israel must be destroyed and cease to exist.
I'm sorry, but this pity party for the Palestinian people is pathetic. We should feel sorry for the innocent men, women and children, but they are unfortunately the ones who are suffering because of THEIR LEADERS, THEIR BROTHERS, and THEIR RELIGION.
Has Israel done everything perfectly? No. But their failures pale in comparison to the colossal and gargantuan failures of the Palestinians.
As far as your accusation of blind theology: If modern Israel is not Biblical Israel what is it? If the establishment of modern Israel is not a fulfillment of God's promise to make them a nation again then what is it? If God's promise to Abraham that He would bless those that blessed him and cursed those that cursed him doesn't still apply Abraham and the Jews, why?
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10-15-2008, 09:48 AM
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Re: What Does Jesse Jackson Know That We Don't?
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They turned that area into an economic success story.
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Well who wouldn't with well over 100 Billion Dollars given to them by this country alone.
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