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Old 10-14-2008, 04:27 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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Restaurants which have a no tipping policy DO come under the federal wage requirements.

And most waitresses end up making FAR above that.

It's a matter of choice. When I am on a budget I take such things into consideration about where I am going to eat, it's part of the price...
Yeah, but why are restaurants the ones who can skirt wage laws and literally pass their payroll obligations on. In that case it's almost like tipping is not voluntary, it is necessary for survival. The people who wash our cars, do our plumbing and electrical work, wait on us in the mall, and other things are doing just as much if not more service in my opinion. I do tip well, but I just don't understand why restaurants are able to get away with this obvious advantage when it comes to overhead. There are times when my service is terrible. I do not like the responsibility of paying XYZ's payroll in those cases.
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Old 10-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

I didn't realize that there was exceptions to Minimum wage in the States.
Minimum Wage is set by the Provinces.
In B.C. where I live it is currently $8.00 an hour-across the board!
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:00 PM
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Yeah, but why are restaurants the ones who can skirt wage laws and literally pass their payroll obligations on. In that case it's almost like tipping is not voluntary, it is necessary for survival. The people who wash our cars, do our plumbing and electrical work, wait on us in the mall, and other things are doing just as much if not more service in my opinion. I do tip well, but I just don't understand why restaurants are able to get away with this obvious advantage when it comes to overhead. There are times when my service is terrible. I do not like the responsibility of paying XYZ's payroll in those cases.
Don't think of it as wages, think of it as insurance.

That no one spits in your food next trip.

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Old 10-14-2008, 05:08 PM
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Restaurants which have a no tipping policy DO come under the federal wage requirements.

And most waitresses end up making FAR above that.

It's a matter of choice. When I am on a budget I take such things into consideration about where I am going to eat, it's part of the price...
Amen... a pastor from years gone by used to say... "If you don't have enough money to tip... you don't have enough money to eat out."
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:09 PM
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Don't think of it as wages, think of it as insurance.

That no one spits in your food next trip.

How true... how very, very true.

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Old 10-14-2008, 05:22 PM
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Don't think of it as wages, think of it as insurance.

That no one spits in your food next trip.

Exactly!!!
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:56 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
I agree with you.
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:58 PM
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Don't think of it as wages, think of it as insurance.

That no one spits in your food next trip.

And that is just wrong, plain and simple wrong!
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:30 PM
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Old 10-14-2008, 07:28 PM
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Re: Mandatory Tipping

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Here lies the problem in my opinion. Restaurants must have some pretty effective lobbyists. There are plenty of businesses that are in the service industry. I don't see why restaurants should be allowed to pay their people less than half of the minimum wage in some instances and basically demand that the consumer directly pay the majority of their payroll.
Exactly! I think it is wrong of the government to allow waiters/waitresses to make less than minimum wage. However, if restaurants were suddenly told they had to pay minimum wage to their servers, all the menu prices would double in price. Kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

I am a firm believer in tipping well because I don't want to be a bad reflection on the church. My standard tip amount is 20 - 25%. The restaurants I frequent serve me very well oftentimes giving me free appetizers, desserts, etc. On the other hand, I don't like the mandatory tipping. If they add their 15% because I have eight people at my table, then they will only get 15%. I let them know they just shortchanged themselves by forcing their tip on me.
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