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Old 09-05-2008, 08:20 PM
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Re: Obama Lawsuit "Obama Served with Papers"

Stick your head in the sand, won't make the truth go away!

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Old 09-05-2008, 08:22 PM
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Stick your head in the sand, won't make the truth go away!

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Hmmm...
I think this is what comedians would call a "tough crowd".

Anyway... the beat goes on.
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:28 PM
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I smell idiocy
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Lobotomized morons appear to be on the loose.
ok...not that I agree with the person starting this topic but isn't your response name calling and ISN'T THAT AGAINST THE RULES HERE???? just a question.
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When was this lawsuit filed?
Unlike, Osama being sued, the above is just a group of imbecils who would want us speaking Aramaic, or whatever Bin Laden speaks and have our good ol American kids reading the Koran in school. I guess we are not entitled to defend ourselves, the very freedom that allows these foolish groups to exist is credited to the military who fights crazies on their own soil. Better there than Atlanta.
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ok...not that I agree with the person starting this topic but isn't your response name calling and ISN'T THAT AGAINST THE RULES HERE???? just a question.
I say just discuss and rebut the actual merit of what was said and leave the negative personal attacks out of it...or at least don't make that your first and only response.
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:33 PM
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ok...not that I agree with the person starting this topic but isn't your response name calling and ISN'T THAT AGAINST THE RULES HERE???? just a question.
Excuse me, I started the thread. It is a link to a site that gives an update on a lawsuit where Obama is accused on not being an American; that his birth records are falsified. HappyTown hijacked the thread with a post about crazy war crime charges...
I dont think Ferd was calling names, (???) just that that idea is crazy. ???
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:39 PM
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Stick your head in the sand, won't make the truth go away!

George Bush, Dick Cheney war crimes: Torture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RyXW4sqLTM
This is old, OLD news. This issue was settled in the courts months ago. Anything coming out now is just someone trying to sell a book. If it had any traction at all the Dems would be all over it. Osama is not saying anything.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:05 PM
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Unlike, Osama being sued, the above is just a group of imbecils who would want us speaking Aramaic, or whatever Bin Laden speaks and have our good ol American kids reading the Koran in school. I guess we are not entitled to defend ourselves, the very freedom that allows these foolish groups to exist is credited to the military who fights crazies on their own soil. Better there than Atlanta.
No one saying we can't defend ourselves! What's being said, "WE CANNOT DEFEND OURSELVES,USING LIES"! As Bush has done!
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Excuse me, I started the thread. It is a link to a site that gives an update on a lawsuit where Obama is accused on not being an American; that his birth records are falsified. HappyTown hijacked the thread with a post about crazy war crime charges...
I dont think Ferd was calling names, (???) just that that idea is crazy. ???
You don't think referring to people as "lobotomized morons" is name-calling?
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Is Barack Obama a US citizen? Yes.


Posted June 12, 2008 2:59 PM
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By John Crewdson

Just when you thought it was safe to turn on the TV......

It took some weeks to settle the ultimately irrelevant and immaterial question of whether Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, was eligible to become president. Irrelevant and immaterial because, should McCain win the election, can you imagine the courts invalidating his triumph by declaring him constitutionally ineligible to hold the office to which he had just been elected? Been down that road, as I recall.

Nevertheless, senators from both parties (Patrick Leahy and Tom Coburn) and constitutional scholars of the left and right (Lawrence Tribe and Theodore Olsen) examined the law and the facts and announced that McCain, who was born to American parents in a U.S. naval hospital in the U.S.-administered Panama Canal Zone, met the Second Amendment's requirement that a president must be a "natural-born citizen."

The Constitution doesn't define "natural-born citizen;" as generations of jurists have pointed out, much of that document's brilliance lies in its ambiguity. But a little research showed that the question had actually been asked and answered way back in 1790, when the very first Congress passed a statute declaring that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be borne beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." The Senate unanimously passed a resolution recognizing that "John Sidney McCain III is a natural-born citizen." On to more important things.

Or so we thought.

Now making the Internet rounds is a posting questioning whether McCain's presumptive Democratic opponent, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen and therefore constitutionally qualified to be president. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

Anyway, this particular post, whose authorship is unclear, suggests that Obama is "not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen under to the law on the books at the time of his birth...". According to the poster, if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, the citizen-parent "must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, of course, was not an American citizen, having been born in Kenya. That leaves his mother, who was a natural-born citizen, but who was only 18 when Obama was born, on August 4, 1961. In the poster's opinion, Obama fails the constitutional test because his citizen-mother had not resided in the U.S. for five years after the age of 16--not old enough, at the time of Obama's birth, "to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship."

Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.

"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.

But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.

According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"

"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."

But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.

Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.

"All that matters is that the child is born here, " Gotcher says. "This is the reason that you are hearing so much fuss in Congress about changing the law that grants 'birthright citizenship.'" But even such a law, however unlikely to pass, would not be retroactive. If Barack Obama wins the presidential election he can begin choosing the furniture for the Oval Office without watching for immigration agents over his shoulder.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...citizen_y.html
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