Ferd, what has been done over 35 years is not nearly sufficient. 40 million murders is appalling. If abortion is murder, and if 40 million ten-year-olds were murdered, I doubt we would be satisfied with this. This has been my only point...Well, that and trying to see what the specific promises are going forward.
tstew,
I'm not removed from the situation with no apathy. My daughter's father wanted me to abort. I have a 21 year old beautiful, blue-eyed, blonde haired daughter. I'm glad I chose to keep her and yes I suffered from that decision, but it was much less than what I would have suffered had I aborted her.
She's gone through hell with it, because he's spoiled, rich and doesn't care about anyone but himself. He hasn't changed one bit since 21 years ago. He doesn't even acknowledge he has a daughter.
She was angry at my decision for many years. I shared things with her about him that caused me to walk away. That didn't satisfy her.
Now, she has a dear friend, who is a pastor's daughter that is pregnant. The father is violent. She was sharing what she told the young girl. "You are the mother and you have to make the decision to protect that child. My mother had to make that decision with me."
tstew, when she was sharing this with me she looked at me and had this expression on her face - she finally after all these years got it! Why I walked away, alone with her. I'm crying as I write this because I needed her to understand that so we could be healed. God is good all the time.
Anyway, on the subject of abortion. I just don't see how the issue could be overturned when we live in a liberal and basically immoral society. Even if every Republican was pro-life we are not the ones that are able to change the law. We still have to contend with those that don't agree. It will go to state's rights and then you fight the - "Don't tell me what to do with my body!"
Laws do not change the heart of man. God' spirit does that and the only hope we have is that the church just keeps on keeping on.
Where sin does abound, grace does also much more abound.
I agree with PO, it is not about the court at all. It is a matter of men's hearts being right. And America, and so called christians are lacking in this regard about abortion. For some reason, the majority does not care about this issue because, they have bought into the fact that women should have the right to decide.
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And to that point I would have to say that having 8 out of the following 10 appointments is plenty opportunity to shape and change the court.
stew, seems to me that this proves how hard it is to change the court. You have to be able to predict what a human will do.
and it is 7 not 8. Stevens was appointed by a guy who while republican came before the period when republicans were trying to change the court.
and at the beginning of Reagan's tenure, this wasnt policy of the conservitive movement.
really we are talking about 2 men. Kennedy who has become less conservitive and Souter who was a huge mistake by GHB, you change those 2 and there is an 7-3 conservitive majority.
2 mistakes out of 7 bro.
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When was the last time that a Republican missed on his appointment to the Supreme Court? Do you know?
Baron, I am not egotistical enough to think that I can get into an intricate debate with you about Washington law
So, I''ll just say in a general sense that since 7 of the 9 have been appointed by Republicans, in my opinion there have been many misses. This Court does not reflect my conservative convictions or ideals.
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I agree with PO, it is not about the court at all. It is a matter of men's hearts being right. And America, and so called christians are lacking in this regard about abortion. For some reason, the majority does not care about this issue because, they have bought into the fact that women should have the right to decide.
What baffles me is this argument of a "woman's right to her body" there is no such thing, so I don't know why we find it such a compelling argument in the abortion issue.
Why does a woman NOT have a right to do with her body as she wishes? Because we have made prostitution illegal, we will arrest her if she walks down the street topless even though a man can, she is not free to ingest drugs. There are many limitations on what a woman can do with her body.
To me it is a down right stupid argument, I cannot figure out why it has become such a good argument.
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Ferd, I posted earlier that if the moral majority had treated abortion like murder and aggressively demanded action over the last 35 years, things would be drastically different. The very Senators voting on a nominee would be governing from a pro-life position and would be held accountable. I would not think that anyone would be so patient with the system and allow for decades if their were actual ten-year-olds being murdered. When I look at the fact that abortion has been such a key factor in decades of voting, I am not satisfied with the millions still being killed.
What specifically do you expect (or know) that McCain will do about abortion, due to what he has promised...and how will that affect your relationship with the GOP during the next election cycle? I personally would like to archive the specific promises and platform so that there is something concrete to hold the party to and a clear evaluation barometer.
Stevens will go off this court in the next 4 years. McCain will appoint an originalist judge and the cout will then have a majority to over turn Roe. period. beyond that both Ginsburg and Kennedy will go off very soon. possibly in the next 4 years as well.
with McCain, you could very well see an 8-2 majority with only Scalia being over 65.
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tstew,
I'm not removed from the situation with no apathy. My daughter's father wanted me to abort. I have a 21 year old beautiful, blue-eyed, blonde haired daughter. I'm glad I chose to keep her and yes I suffered from that decision, but it was much less than what I would have suffered had I aborted her.
She's gone through hell with it, because he's spoiled, rich and doesn't care about anyone but himself. He hasn't changed one bit since 21 years ago. He doesn't even acknowledge he has a daughter.
She was angry at my decision for many years. I shared things with her about him that caused me to walk away. That didn't satisfy her.
Now, she has a dear friend, who is a pastor's daughter that is pregnant. The father is violent. She was sharing what she told the young girl. "You are the mother and you have to make the decision to protect that child. My mother had to make that decision with me."
tstew, when she was sharing this with me she looked at me and had this expression on her face - she finally after all these years got it! Why I walked away, alone with her. I'm crying as I write this because I needed her to understand that so we could be healed. God is good all the time.
Anyway, on the subject of abortion. I just don't see how the issue could be overturned when we live in a liberal and basically immoral society. Even if every Republican was pro-life we are not the ones that are able to change the law. We still have to contend with those that don't agree. It will go to state's rights and then you fight the - "Don't tell me what to do with my body!"
Laws do not change the heart of man. God' spirit does that and the only hope we have is that the church just keeps on keeping on.
Where sin does abound, grace does also much more abound.
PO, I can only imagine facing that situation and having the courage to do what you know is difficult...but right. Doing what is right always pays off at the end. I'm sure that your experience will bring life to many people.
I don't get to personal on forums, but I will say that this particular issue is very passionate for me too. My wife and I lost our only child, and I would do anything to reverse that. It is that experience that I believe makes it difficult for me to look at millions of babies as a number that can be tolerated or trivialized while we spend decades working out the kinks.
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Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Baron, I am not egotistical enough to think that I can get into an intricate debate with you about Washington law
So, I''ll just say in a general sense that since 7 of the 9 have been appointed by Republicans, in my opinion there have been many misses. This Court does not reflect my conservative convictions or ideals.
I defer to my good friend Ferd's previous post only to add that I personally know one of the three men that Bush chose to help him in his picks for the Supreme Court, he is a Christian and his job was to make sure that the appointees were pro-life. The reason he chose these men was he didn't want another Souter mistake. Guess what? We have 2 more conservative justices (though the former CJ was conservative). It has been nearly 20 years since we have fumbled a pick at the court. 20 YEARS.
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Baron, I am not egotistical enough to think that I can get into an intricate debate with you about Washington law
So, I''ll just say in a general sense that since 7 of the 9 have been appointed by Republicans, in my opinion there have been many misses. This Court does not reflect my conservative convictions or ideals.
ts,
you have identified yourself as having "conservative convictions." I too am a conservative.
I assume that the pic in your profile is of you, an African American. Question, why is the African American community so "offed" as a whole by conservative thinking? Why, as a whole, do they not accept the successes of such greats as Condi, Clarence Thomas, and other AA's who have risen to the top, but instead listen to Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson who keep them depressed?
To me, a white man, would think that it is apparent that the opportunities of the conservative mindset provide FAR more opportunity then that which is presented my the liberal persuasion.
I would be interested in knowing your take on the issue.
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