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06-22-2008, 03:12 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Do you think they were aware they were like this? The articles seem to suggest that at some point they loose touch with reality and don't realize they are lying anymore because they lie to themselves
Spiritually speaking I find this to be a very dangerous position to be in
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No, not after a certain amount of time, their mind is just different. I believe he is not able to distinguish between a lie and the truth, or right from wrong.
I don't think he was born that way, but that circumstances and environment contributed to it.
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06-22-2008, 03:12 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
I know a sociopathic narcissitic liar.
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06-22-2008, 03:14 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
I think my thing is...why or how do Christians end up being like this? I have heard evangelists spin some story to us and felt intellectually insulted because this guy really expected me to believe the tripe he was dishing out. Im not saying all evangelists or preachers are like that, but I have heard stories preached that were tabloid stories you read while standing in line at WalMart. And the fact someone is peddling this stuff to me and expecting me to shout over it is insulting and tells me maybe this guy was trying to make up for a lack of anointing or hearing from God maybe? I don't know.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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06-22-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Lying is always a form of control. Some people are pathological liars, having learned that they get a rush from manipulating others with lies. But most people lie when they are afraid of the consequences of telling the truth.
http://peopleoffaith.com/why-do-people-lie.htm
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I do not agree with this as much as I did the first one. It is placing blame on another person for the liar. In other words it is giving the liar an out.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-22-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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No, not after a certain amount of time, their mind is just different. I believe he is not able to distinguish between a lie and the truth, or right from wrong.
I don't think he was born that way, but that circumstances and environment attributed to it.
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Nobody is born that way. How they end up that way is an interesting topic as well as how they are apparently oblivious to the fact that they practice deception, not just of others but of themselves.
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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06-22-2008, 03:16 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I think my thing is...why or how do Christians end up being like this? I have heard evangelists spin some story to us and felt intellectually insulted because this guy really expected me to believe the tripe he was dishing out. Im not saying all evangelists or preachers are like that, but I have heard stories preached that were tabloid stories you read while standing in line at WalMart. And the fact someone is peddling this stuff to me and expecting me to shout over it is insulting and tells me maybe this guy was trying to make up for a lack of anointing or hearing from God maybe? I don't know.
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I have heard stories from the pulpit that the preacher is using because it moves people emotionally, but there's not a thread of truth to it! I would be afraid of God to stand in the pulpit and tell things just for effect (and then laugh about it later!).
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06-22-2008, 03:17 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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I have known people who will lie even when they know that YOU KNOW that they're lying. I just don't understand it.
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Yes, but in their mind they are not lying. YOU just don't understand THEIR truth.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-22-2008, 03:17 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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I do not agree with this as much as I did the first one. It is placing blame on another person for the liar. In other words it is giving the liar an out.
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Read it again. It is saying the LIAR does it to get a rush. It's saying that most people that lie (not the sociopaths) do it to escape consequences. I dont see in there anything about blaming it on someone other than the liar
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-22-2008, 03:21 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Read it again. It is saying the LIAR does it to get a rush. It's saying that most people that lie (not the sociopaths) do it to escape consequences. I dont see in there anything about blaming it on someone other than the liar
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I am talking about the couple Prax, the doctor was saying she was trying to control him, so that is why he was lying about the pornography. It gave him an out to some degree.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-22-2008, 03:22 PM
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Re: Why People Lie
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Originally Posted by Sherri
I have heard stories from the pulpit that the preacher is using because it moves people emotionally, but there's not a thread of truth to it! I would be afraid of God to stand in the pulpit and tell things just for effect (and then laugh about it later!).
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Me too. That bothers me. Preaching should be based on truth. And I don't have a problem with manipulating emotions if it is done by theatrical preaching (preaching with emphasis), but not by lying. If the Spirit is working with the message then you don't need those gimmicks.
I think that is what bothers many of us...gimmicks. And I think that is what turns off the rest of the world that has an opinion of Pentecostals and Charismatics...that we use gimmicks. You might have a hard time convincing a naysayer, atheist or otherwise skeptical person with gimmicks...particularly those that are intelligent. Now with a sound wise argument based on the word of God you have a better chance and particularly if the Spirit is moving on his heart.
This is why we need to have more teaching and learning AND more Spirit.
But TRUE Spirit vs false spirit does not come by games or tricks or lies. Even psychics can do cold readings to fool some people into believing they heard from a spirit
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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