Another hair cutting episode at a public school - Page 2

Sept5SavedTeen · #11 05-23-2008, 06:00 PM

Should the mother have explained the text in Corinthians as to why UPC women don't cut their hair? I can imagine someone from town reading the paper and thinking, "Those Pentecostals believe there's POWER in their hair?!"
When my sister didn't cut her hair and got asked about it, she just answered, "I like my hair long."

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

pelathais · #12 05-23-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Should the mother have explained the text in Corinthians as to why UPC women don't cut their hair? I can imagine someone from town reading the paper and thinking, "Those Pentecostals believe there's POWER in their hair?!"
When my sister didn't cut her hair and got asked about it, she just answered, "I like my hair long."

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I think you'll probably find as many different answers to "why?" as you find people to ask. But there is a considerable segment of the UPC/Apostolic community that plays around with the "power on her head because of the angels..." thing.

The fact that the ideas from 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 are stated so ambiguously pretty much guarantees that the whole issue will have a myriad of different interpretations. The issues involved in the two news stories ought to center around how much the child's rights may have been violated and how much the kid herself may have been complicit.

In the case where the teacher cut the hair, I think a line was clearly crossed that was wrong. In the case where it was two kids involved I think the lines may be blurred - they're just kids after all. I see no "persecution" in either case, however; perhaps just bad judgement at the worst and childishness at the least.

RandyWayne · #13 05-23-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Should the mother have explained the text in Corinthians as to why UPC women don't cut their hair? I can imagine someone from town reading the paper and thinking, "Those Pentecostals believe there's POWER in their hair?!"
When my sister didn't cut her hair and got asked about it, she just answered, "I like my hair long."

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

How would she have explained it? Corinthians has nothing to do with it... Only Ruth R.

jaxfam6 · #14 05-23-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you'll probably find as many different answers to "why?" as you find people to ask. But there is a considerable segment of the UPC/Apostolic community that plays around with the "power on her head because of the angels..." thing.

The fact that the ideas from 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 are stated so ambiguously pretty much guarantees that the whole issue will have a myriad of different interpretations. The issues involved in the two news stories ought to center around how much the child's rights may have been violated and how much the kid herself may have been complicit.

In the case where the teacher cut the hair, I think a line was clearly crossed that was wrong. In the case where it was two kids involved I think the lines may be blurred - they're just kids after all. I see no "persecution" in either case, however; perhaps just bad judgement at the worst and childishness at the least.

my thought is that the other girl probably did what she had done to her at some point. she got a tangle that would not come out and her mom cut it. It may even be that the other girl told her to and now to keep from being in trouble told her mom a different story. may have even done it thinking that her mom would then cut it to make it even. who knows with kids.

Pressing-On · #15 05-23-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

How would she have explained it? Corinthians has nothing to do with it... Only Ruth R.

I heard Anthony Mangun say this and so I wanted to check into it. This is the premise, I believe, that Ruth R is building on.

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... because of the angels. The "angels" are here mentioned as an additional reason for the headcovering. As watchers and agents for God, their attention is especially drawn to spiritual exercises. We might also notice that in Isaiah chapter 6 the seraphs who cried "holy, holy, holy" covered their faces and their feet with their wings in the awful presence of God. It so happens that the Septuagint version has here the word κατακαλυπτων, which Paul has been using. So perhaps Paul's reference to the angels is meant to recall how the seraphs covered themselves, in which case the idea would be that if the angels themselves do this, how much more should a woman. For further discussion of this phrase see the excursus on the angels.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/headcoverings.html

I find this interesting. Hmmmmmm...

I recognize that words do not have to be interchangeable in some contexts. Perhaps someone can comment on the Hebrew and Greek meanings concerning this.

Praxeas · #16 05-23-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina

I just don't understand that reasoning from the mother. Why subject her daughter to more ridicule? Kids can be very cruel-- and you know this child will be made fun of because of her hair. I would like to think that MOST mothers would just trim it off evenly so that the child won't be ridiculed by her peers and let it grow back out evenly.

It's not the child's cut hair that the mother needs to be overly concerned about. It's the PRIDE she has in having "uncut hair" that seems to mean more to her than the feelings of her child.

The hair has already BEEN cut, what point is it going to prove by not evening it out with a trim? That is absurd

bkstokes · #17 05-23-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

The hair has already BEEN cut, what point is it going to prove by not evening it out with a trim? That is absurd

AMEN

SUCH AN ATTITUDE of -- I can't cut my hair because I will loose my power with God is absurd. This is similar to the pharisees attitude toward the sabbath.