I just received my book...

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

I don't know but since I am a "nobody" in the org. I would guess that it went out to the entire membership.

Originally Posted by Felicity

Nobody is a nobody. We're all somebodies in God's eyes. He calls us by name. He knows our thoughts, our strengths, our weaknesses, our desires, our tiredness, confusion, frustrations, dreams, disappointments, hopes, plans and vision.

What is passed over by man ... what seems weak and effective and ineffectual to himself and to others .... may be making an impact for eternity in ways that we do not know and cannot tell. But God Almighty, Master of the Universe does know!

Nobody is a nobody.

Where do I rank, I haven't received one yet......

[IAintMovin]

As a minister in the UPCI, I have a voice and a vote, I will vote my preference on this issue, however I personally have no problem with those on both sides making their case for their reason of why for, or why against.

Glad that these men are doing this and hope that the other side can come together and do something likewise, funny thing is that on the Pro side there is a usually just a lot of screaming foul and no substance put out for their stand.

[Dan]

I received the book. Same old rhetoric we have heard before trying to explain why TV and internet are different. Sorry, I don't see the difference. It's all about what these guys want. If they want to believe that way....so be it, but let the rest of us alone! It's just amazing to me how they try to explain things away.

[rkentsmith]

Originally Posted by Dan

I received the book. Same old rhetoric we have heard before trying to explain why TV and internet are different. Sorry, I don't see the difference. It's all about what these guys want. If they want to believe that way....so be it, but let the rest of us alone! It's just amazing to me how they try to explain things away.

It would appear Dan that theirs is the origonal position and they might feel quite similiarly to you........

I am certain they feel that the other side has found ways to explain it away.....

And no doubt they feel that they would be left alone.....

Now I agree with you before you say it....mailing you a book is not leaving you alone......

But that side does offer a more substantive position on the television issue than "the souls"

But then your side has Mark Hamby to hold up and say this is our success story

These brothers have been around long enough to want to avoid the guaranteed fallout that another Hamby debacle will prompt

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

It would appear Dan that theirs is the origonal position and they might feel quite similiarly to you........

I am certain they feel that the other side has found ways to explain it away.....

And no doubt they feel that they would be left alone.....

Now I agree with you before you say it....mailing you a book is not leaving you alone......

But that side does offer a more substantive position on the television issue than "the souls"

But then your side has Mark Hamby to hold up and say this is our success story

These brothers have been around long enough to want to avoid the guaranteed fallout that another Hamby debacle will prompt

Exactly.

But you have to remember that we are smarter, more spiritual, and just all around superior guys to Hanby and his ilk.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

It would appear Dan that theirs is the origonal position and they might feel quite similiarly to you........

I am certain they feel that the other side has found ways to explain it away.....

And no doubt they feel that they would be left alone.....

Now I agree with you before you say it....mailing you a book is not leaving you alone......

But that side does offer a more substantive position on the television issue than "the souls"

But then your side has Mark Hamby to hold up and say this is our success story

These brothers have been around long enough to want to avoid the guaranteed fallout that another Hamby debacle will prompt

I lived through the Hanby debacle as you call it. I have been around longer than most of these guys. I still contend, regardless of all their explanations, that the internet is way worse than TV. I have not had near as much trouble with people in my church over TV as I have had over internet. We need to be preaching control, even on the internet! I don't have time this morning, but I would be more than happy to debate the issue. And yes, you are right, I did not ask for their book. Let me just tell you that I know these guys. One of them that has a chapter in the book went to Las Vegas some time back on vacation....... I will just stop there. If we are going to preach the manual so straight......what is worldly amusements?

[rkentsmith]

Originally Posted by Dan

I lived through the Hanby debacle as you call it. I have been around longer than most of these guys. I still contend, regardless of all their explanations, that the internet is way worse than TV. I have not had near as much trouble with people in my church over TV as I have had over internet. We need to be preaching control, even on the internet! I don't have time this morning, but I would be more than happy to debate the issue. And yes, you are right, I did not ask for their book. Let me just tell you that I know these guys. One of them that has a chapter in the book went to Las Vegas some time back on vacation....... I will just stop there. If we are going to preach the manual so straight......what is worldly amusements?

Dan...why all the kicking and screaming for TV. Cool it and be patient....it has been coming for years by osmosis. And then with the change in technology it will be moot before long.....

By the way.....the resolution ain't passing in Tampa...no matter who says what.....

[Dan]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

Dan...why all the kicking and screaming for TV. Cool it and be patient....it has been coming for years by osmosis. And then with the change in technology it will be moot before long.....

By the way.....the resolution ain't passing in Tampa...no matter who says what.....

I agree that it is coming no matter what. By the way...it will pass in Tampa. In my humble opinion, anybody that preaches against TV and has the internet is a hypocrite. Just a thought.

[rkentsmith]

Originally Posted by Dan

I agree that it is coming no matter what. By the way...it will pass in Tampa. In my humble opinion, anybody that preaches against TV and has the internet is a hypocrite. Just a thought.

Now Dan has done called nearly every minister in the UPCI a hypocrite except himself.....

What does that say?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Nobody is a nobody. We're all somebodies in God's eyes. He calls us by name. He knows our thoughts, our strengths, our weaknesses, our desires, our tiredness, confusion, frustrations, dreams, disappointments, hopes, plans and vision.

What is passed over by man ... what seems weak and effective and ineffectual to himself and to others .... may be making an impact for eternity in ways that we do not know and cannot tell. But God Almighty, Master of the Universe does know!

Nobody is a nobody.

What a wonderful post!