Sure, but that does not mean we're not dead to sin.
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Romans 6:2 KJV God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Committing sins and being dead to sin is the whole issue in Romans 6. We ARE dead to sin, but the reason we continue sinning is because we "KNOW NOT" the details of Paul's teachings of Romans 6. And if we expect to sin, we'll find a way to do it. Romans 6 removes the expectation to sin.
This shows me that Romans needs to be preached more!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I am not speaking about dying to SELF. I am speaking about dying to SIN. 1 Cor 15:31 was not speaking of dying to self.
We are baptized into Jesus' death, to make His death to sin count as our own deaths to sin one single time only.
The context I am speaking about is that WE DIED ONCE with Christ TO SIN. It was appointed for man to die once, therefore Christ died once. Why would He die once since it is appointed to us to die once? It is because His death counts as our deaths we required to pay due to sin.
How many are aware of our deaths with Christ to sin?
We ALREADY died with Christ UNTO SIN. It is DONE, once we are saved.
Romans 6:6 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Galatians 2:20 KJVI am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Romans 6:10-11 KJV For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I already pointed out that we MORTIFY or PUT TO DEATH our fleshly deeds again and again. But we are discussing 1 Cor 15:31, which is not speaking about that. 1 Cor 15:31 is speaking solely about Paul's threats to his life that were very PHYSICAL. He was saying he would not risk his physical life by preaching int he caustic persecution atmosphere if there was no resurrection from the dead.
It is hard to imagine anyone would believe that you must die again and again as shown in baptism over and over again. Baptism is becoming identified in his death, burial and resurrection according to Rom 6. Why would ANYONE believe that one must do THAT again?
But, the title of the thread is "We Do Not Die Daily - WE DIED ONCE." If death as shown forth in baptism is what you are talking about EXCLUSIVELY, then NO, we are baptized (die) ONCE.
It is hard to imagine anyone would believe that you must die again and again as shown in baptism over and over again. Baptism is becoming identified in his death, burial and resurrection according to Rom 6. Why would ANYONE believe that one must do THAT again?
But, the title of the thread is "We Do Not Die Daily - WE DIED ONCE." If death as shown forth in baptism is what you are talking about EXCLUSIVELY, then NO, we are baptized (die) ONCE.
Amen and amen one thousand times over!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Could we die out to human wills,everyday by denying our flesh when daily tempted by sin ? Of course we have died to sin once by our new birth,but everyday we must decide to do right or wrong, I think we die daily to our flesh by yeilding to the Holy Ghost.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Do all mostly agree we died to sin ONCE, already, but die to self everyday?
Yes, I do agree with this statement.
The answer to that is in Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
"Henceforth" is the key.
That would have to mean that sin does present itself to us. By dying out to self everyday we don't accept the offer.
The answer to that is in Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
"Henceforth" is the key.
That would have to mean that sin does present itself to us. By dying out to self everyday we don't accept the offer.
Right. And actually, Romans 6 goes on to teach that instead of trying to make ourselves not sin, we need to learn to seek God in prayer for His Spirit to empower us and use our physical bodies as instruments of his righteousness, so sin does not use our physical bodies to commit sins.
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Romans 6:12-13 KJV Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 8:11-12 KJV But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
The passages above show us that if we do not yield our bodies to God for Him to use, sin will use our bodies. This raises a whole new issue... do we actually do what Ro 6:13 said in order to stop falling into sin?
Sin will rule in our mortal bodies, or the Spirit of God will quicken our mortal bodies. We decide which, whether we do so intentionally or not. And it is, mor eoften than not, unintentionally done for sin to use us.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Right. And actually, Romans 6 goes on to teach that instead of trying to make ourselves not sin, we need to learn to seek God in prayer for His Spirit to empower us and use our physical bodies as instruments of his righteousness, so sin does not use our physical bodies to commit sins.
The passages above show us that if we do not yield our bodies to God for Him to use, sin will use our bodies. This raises a whole new issue... do we actually do what Ro 6:13 said in order to stop falling into sin?
Sin will rule in our mortal bodies, or the Spirit of God will quicken our mortal bodies. We decide which, whether we do so intentionally or not. And it is, mor eoften than not, unintentionally done for sin to use us.
In answer to the emboldened question above, sometimes I don't think we do.
I think there is a lot at issue here. We become discouraged and not watchful. We can become hurt and not watchful. We can become weary in well doing and not watchful.
The scripture still stands -
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Lamentations 3:22-23 "It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."
In answer to the emboldened question above, sometimes I don't think we do.
I think there is a lot at issue here. We become discouraged and not watchful. We can become hurt and not watchful. We can become weary in well doing and not watchful.
The scripture still stands -
These things need to be taught. As a pastor, I have noticed many people simply do not understand these sorts of scriptures. Hence, we have to teach them.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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