In my opinion the propose of the World Wide Pentecostal fellowship is that in years past the difference between standards from one UPC church to another was little. Now the difference is great. Some of the churches like ours have kept to the old ways. Yet we have UPC churches close by that look like they belong to any OTHER type of church, just not UPC, Apostolic Jesus Name. The Bible taught us to be separate. We should not look like every other Tom, Dick and Harry’s Church.
As we all have read “he is the same yesterday, today and forever”.
If we really believe that then why should our standards change?
Are we calling UPC’s minister that have preached for the last 50 years liers.
Standards should not change, If he is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is a reason those old time men of God preached keeping strong standards. They would had not voted that resolution in.
Are we going to fall pray to the evils that has hit every other denomination. No we are different; We have the power of his name on our side.
TV has no place in our homes or churches even as videos.
We have always had good church. But I believe our churches will see the power of God like we have not seen in a long time because we are purifying our churches to be involved in a fellowship of like minded people of god. That is not afraid to stand up for God and the standards he want us to live by. We believe God does not need our help. We with his guidance can reach the lost. We don’t need to worry whether a backslider would recognize our church.
Can you say that or has your church allowed things to creep in that used to be preached against.
God has not changed – have you
Dan’D
You are 100% right! But you must understand that the line has been drawn in the sand (if you will).
God has a sin sick, polluted body that he can't and won't work through. And he will do what he has always done. He will call out a remanant of those that cry and sigh for the sins of the people (Eze 9:4) and the rest will be cast into darkness.
In my opinion the propose of the World Wide Pentecostal fellowship is that in years past the difference between standards from one UPC church to another was little. Now the difference is great. Some of the churches like ours have kept to the old ways. Yet we have UPC churches close by that look like they belong to any OTHER type of church, just not UPC, Apostolic Jesus Name. The Bible taught us to be separate. We should not look like every other Tom, Dick and Harry’s Church.
As we all have read “he is the same yesterday, today and forever”.
If we really believe that then why should our standards change?
Are we calling UPC’s minister that have preached for the last 50 years liers.
Standards should not change, If he is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is a reason those old time men of God preached keeping strong standards. They would had not voted that resolution in.
Are we going to fall pray to the evils that has hit every other denomination. No we are different; We have the power of his name on our side.
TV has no place in our homes or churches even as videos.
We have always had good church. But I believe our churches will see the power of God like we have not seen in a long time because we are purifying our churches to be involved in a fellowship of like minded people of god. That is not afraid to stand up for God and the standards he want us to live by. We believe God does not need our help. We with his guidance can reach the lost. We don’t need to worry whether a backslider would recognize our church.
Can you say that or has your church allowed things to creep in that used to be preached against.
God has not changed – have you
Dan’D
Get out your robe and saddle up your camel.
Get over your idea that because an organization that you belong to preached hard at every conference standards, standards, standards!!!
They also preached revivial.
Well Revivial never came and the standards kept being preached....
Revivial has moved to the church that is seeking to save the lost.
Not save the saint toa higher saved state.....
Go out and preach on the street corner and when you do, Preach the saving Grace of God and his finished work on Calvary.
His blood was given the saving power of Grace, and that was given by his word before the foundations of the world.
That was the word that became flesh and spilled sinless blood.
You want revival preach Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Your majic hair and no TV will not save a soul, Period....
There simply will not be a no TV or uncut hair section in heaven....
In my opinion the propose of the World Wide Pentecostal fellowship is that in years past the difference between standards from one UPC church to another was little. Now the difference is great. Some of the churches like ours have kept to the old ways. Yet we have UPC churches close by that look like they belong to any OTHER type of church, just not UPC, Apostolic Jesus Name. The Bible taught us to be separate. We should not look like every other Tom, Dick and Harry’s Church.
As we all have read “he is the same yesterday, today and forever”.
If we really believe that then why should our standards change?
Are we calling UPC’s minister that have preached for the last 50 years liers.
Standards should not change, If he is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is a reason those old time men of God preached keeping strong standards. They would had not voted that resolution in.
Are we going to fall pray to the evils that has hit every other denomination. No we are different; We have the power of his name on our side.
TV has no place in our homes or churches even as videos.
We have always had good church. But I believe our churches will see the power of God like we have not seen in a long time because we are purifying our churches to be involved in a fellowship of like minded people of god. That is not afraid to stand up for God and the standards he want us to live by. We believe God does not need our help. We with his guidance can reach the lost. We don’t need to worry whether a backslider would recognize our church.
Can you say that or has your church allowed things to creep in that used to be preached against.
God has not changed – have you
Dan’D
Indeed, the Almighty never changes - but just look at all the changes we have gone through over the years:
• It used to be a sin to wear the color red.
• Women's stockings had to have a seam in them so that you could tell from a distance that they were not bare legged.
• Women were not allowed to shave under their arms and legs and men were allowed to go unshaved on the face.
• Listening to the radio was "worldly."
• Going to amusement parks was a sin (I still remember that one).
• Only the King James Bible could be used.
• College education was off limits (again, I was told that).
We have to go through a huge list of things to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It's no wonder that some people get lost in all of this, because they were never taught principles; instead they were just given a list of "do's and dont's."
We have needed to let some of the old standards go. Let's be honest, they seem kind of silly today. What we need are principles of godliness that will guide us not a list by which we can compare ourselves against the new converts and the backsliders in the church down the road.
Indeed, the Almighty never changes - but just look at all the changes we have gone through over the years:
• It used to be a sin to wear the color red.
• Women's stockings had to have a seam in them so that you could tell from a distance that they were not bare legged.
• Women were not allowed to shave under their arms and legs and men were allowed to go unshaved on the face.
• Listening to the radio was "worldly."
• Going to amusement parks was a sin (I still remember that one).
• Only the King James Bible could be used.
• College education was off limits (again, I was told that).
We have to go through a huge list of things to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It's no wonder that some people get lost in all of this, because they were never taught principles; instead they were just given a list of "do's and dont's."
We have needed to let some of the old standards go. Let's be honest, they seem kind of silly today. What we need are principles of godliness that will guide us not a list by which we can compare ourselves against the new converts and the backsliders in the church down the road.
You know why the UPCI ministers life insurance is so low and behind the times.
In the 1050's, 60's and 70's it was wrong to have insurance.
When my dad died in 1978 we have been feeling that blow ever since...
Indeed, the Almighty never changes - but just look at all the changes we have gone through over the years:
• It used to be a sin to wear the color red.
• Women's stockings had to have a seam in them so that you could tell from a distance that they were not bare legged.
• Women were not allowed to shave under their arms and legs and men were allowed to go unshaved on the face.
• Listening to the radio was "worldly."
• Going to amusement parks was a sin (I still remember that one).
• Only the King James Bible could be used.
• College education was off limits (again, I was told that).
We have to go through a huge list of things to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It's no wonder that some people get lost in all of this, because they were never taught principles; instead they were just given a list of "do's and dont's."
We have needed to let some of the old standards go. Let's be honest, they seem kind of silly today. What we need are principles of godliness that will guide us not a list by which we can compare ourselves against the new converts and the backsliders in the church down the road.
I was just thinking the same things when I read the original post. Also, no coffee or open-toed shoes. I have this same conversation with some dear elders at times. They want to say that if we start to let go of our standards then this will happen or that...and don't get me wrong, i am not saying forget it all, but if you look at our history, we HAVE let go of things over the years. We have already evolved whether people want to admit it or not.
Yes, there has always been preachers that have preached strange things. like against red shoes. During that time there were also some who had a little more balance about what they believe. That is not the question!
You look at our people today yes her dress is to the knee, Barely. But it is so form fitting you can see everything and she is leading the music. The envelope has always been pushed but now it is being pushed over the edge.
TV is a new subject. Advertising is just the start. If you ask around to UPC churches you will find a fair amount of them, the saints have TV’s in there homes.
You will find in 10 years the UPC’s standards will go down.
I don’t know about you but I don’t want to take that chance with my children.
You will have some people who will start watching church service on TV for years then they will come to church and then you tell they can not have one in there home.
We have lived this long without it I won’t take a chance.
And once you start videoing your service now you have actors and worshiper that want to do it a certain way because who could be watching . It is not worth it.
Yes, there has always been preachers that have preached strange things. like against red shoes. During that time there were also some who had a little more balance about what they believe. That is not the question!
You look at our people today yes her dress is to the knee, Barely. But it is so form fitting you can see everything and she is leading the music. The envelope has always been pushed but now it is being pushed over the edge.
TV is a new subject. Advertising is just the start. If you ask around to UPC churches you will find a fair amount of them, the saints have TV’s in there homes.
You will find in 10 years the UPC’s standards will go down.
I don’t know about you but I don’t want to take that chance with my children.
You will have some people who will start watching church service on TV for years then they will come to church and then you tell they can not have one in there home.
We have lived this long without it I won’t take a chance.
And once you start videoing your service now you have actors and worshiper that want to do it a certain way because who could be watching . It is not worth it.
Dan’D
If they would "act" because of video .... most likely they are acting now.
In my opinion the propose of the World Wide Pentecostal fellowship is that in years past the difference between standards from one UPC church to another was little. Now the difference is great. Some of the churches like ours have kept to the old ways. Yet we have UPC churches close by that look like they belong to any OTHER type of church, just not UPC, Apostolic Jesus Name. The Bible taught us to be separate. We should not look like every other Tom, Dick and Harry’s Church.
Dan’D
I know some UPC pastors named Tom... I know some UPC pastors named Dick... And I know some UPC pastors named Harry... And I am proud to be like them...
Off to Tulsa with your mentality...
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Last edited by Pastor G; 01-30-2008 at 04:19 PM.
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I LOVE Seperation! I think any apostolic that doesnt if selling themselves short (not a pair of shorts, just short).
I BELIEVE in the doctrine of Sanctification and see this as vital to the salvation of the church collectively and the saint individually.
having a TV, or even worse (evidently) putting a 30 second ad on TV, is NOT a violation of either the doctrine of Sanctification, nor of seperation from the world.
good grief!
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